Pete Rademacher, worst management ever?

There is a rent in the time-space continuum.....I actually agree with you.

 

I think a lot of debuting Gold Medalist might have beaten Patterson in their debut...fighters like Stevenson, Foreman, Frazier, WK, Povetkin, Lewis, Usyk, Holyfield (didn't get the gold), Joshua, Leon Spinks, Biggs, Savon, and I'm sure I'm missing a lot of others. The only problem is that they wouldn't have experience with the slower pro pace, (they would be used to the faster amateur pace) and some of them would/might fatigue if they didn't get Patterson out within 4-5 rounds.

Leon Spinks was just 7-0-1 when he won the heavyweight title and had been pro for about 13 months. I think his management did an excellent job getting him the title fight. Spinks didn't turn out to be a successful businessman like Rademacher, but his management wasn't at fault for that.

 

Wonder how history and his rein would of looked like had he walk out with the title?

 

There are big parallels between Spinks and Rademacher. You’d see a lot more guys jumping into title fights with slim records if they actually were given the option. And Leon and Pete were never going to be ATG heavyweights so fighting contenders instead of the (beatable) champ would be crappy risk: reward.

 

Again utter disrespect on this forum for Patterson, an ATG. Any of those people … including ones that developed into superior fighters as their careers progressed … would have been made to look utterly ridiculous, as Rademacher was except for one freak knockdown, if they’d made their pro debuts against Patterson.

 

What I'm wondering is why would Floyd Patterson and Zora Folley agree to fight someone that's not only making his pro debut but also hasn't won a single fight? They must have been given a really good fight deal to convince them to take the fight with the money that they're being offered.

 

It would be interesting to find out your "reasoning" for your belief that 50s Heavyweight champ Patterson would make the listed amateur champs look "utterly ridiculous" in their pro debuts. Do you think that having a pro license makes a fighter better than an amateur? Do you think that having message board posters say a fighter is an ATG or having voters vote a fighter into the HOF means he can't be beaten by fighters who are not considered ATG/HOF?

Why didn't Patterson make guys like Roy Harris, and Brian London look "utterly ridiculous?" From your post I assume that you believe that Brian London or Roy Harris could beat Teofilio Stevenson, Felix Savon or the others I listed since you think that champ FP could make them look "utterly ridiculous?" Do you think Lomachenko looked "utterly ridiculous" in his first pro fight?

My opinion is that titles like ATG/HOF don't help a fighter in the ring. I'll stick with my belief that the amateur fighters I listed might well beat 1950s champ FP in their debuts.

 

You wonder why these guys signed up to fight the last white American heavyweight gold medalist?

 

An Olympic gold medalist who didn't win a single pro fight prior. He was definitely a good businessman, I'll give him that.

 

And I will stick with my belief that prime Patterson would embarrass all those people, including Joe Frazier and Teofilo Stevenson, and probably knock them out.

 

As others have said, it might be more a case of good management than bad.

 

His career was manufactured to make as much money as early as possible with as few fights as possible

 

Ngannou has somewhat similar start, except he came from MMA instead of amateur boxing.

He did pretty well in the 1st fight, dropping Fury and losing a close fight. Then got absolutely destroyed by AJ in 2 rounds.

 

It was mentioned on air in some fight of Maskaev’s that the belief was he had 20 or more pro fights that weren’t recorded in the Eastern Bloc before his ‘debut.’ No idea how true that is, but the assertion was that he had fought a lot in areas where there were no commissions and thus no one to report the results.

 

I am sure someone has said it already, but it was his idea. He didn't want to box--he took the fight to promote his business (it might have been a car dealership, but I don't completely remember).

He said if he would have won the championship, he never would have fought again. He only pushed on to make some more money when he didn't have that promotional tool.