PeteThePrince's Top 50 P4P Greatest Fighters Ever - ROUGH DRAFT!!

Clearly I'm trying to steal some thunder from Stonehands. Just kidding, but I have been inspired a little bored. So I thought I'd share this list I made. It's not a list among the greatest fighters ever. I'm not knowledgeable enough, nor will anyone convince me that I am.

This list is a bit of a different list. It's a list of the Pound 4 Pound Greatest Fighters ever. It's list that takes a whole lot of subjectivity, although I tried to be honest, objective, and logical about the choices. If you conquer multiple divisions you get bonuses for clearly staking your claim as a Pound 4 Pound type fighter. Certain styles clearly do better in more divisions. Although if you're dominant in just 1 or 2 divisions it won't hurt you too bad. There are a few interesting choices. I admit, many could very well not even make my top 25 of Greatest Fighters ever list... let alone top 50. It's hard to compare heavyweights to featherweights, but I did anyone. Also, it's fighters from 1920 onward. I did this because boxing has changed and my knowledge is clearly much more lacking the further back you go. So share your thoughts, comments, criticisms, etc. I'm sure there could be some omission that I overlooked. Okay ladies and gents... here we go.

Pound 4 Pound Greatest Fighters (1920’s onward)​

Criteria:​

1. Resume/Level Of Opposition – 50% of the criteria factors this in. Consistency is important as it tells us the truth about a fighter, but the goal is to find the peak. It's more about how dominant a fighter is, rather than how long their reign last. Level of opposition is important because greatness is determined by who you rub up against. How you do against a lot of styles and a lot of great fighters tells what your ability is. Beating Bigger men helps big time. Proving yourself when with a weight disadvantage, and proving yourself through multiple weight classes is a way to reiterate your status on a P4P level.

2. Skills/Ability (Potential H2H) – 50% is based on your skills and abilities and how you potentially match up to other fighters in terms of H2H. This doesn't have to be textbook boxing, folks. What you bring in the ring... from natural factors such as power punching and chin, to your developed skills such as footwork and feinting. How versatile you are to prove your skills and ability in more ways than one in case Plan A goes wrong. All the intangibles, resilience will get factored. This is what you can do in the ring from what we've seen from footage and newspaper reports.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Roberto Duran
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Charley Burley
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Joe Louis
9. Benny Leonard
10. Willie Pep
11. Jack Dempsey
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Archie Moore
14. Mickey Walker
15. Michael Spinks
16. Roy Jones Jr
17. Sugar Ray Leonard
18. Sandy Saddler
19. Gene Tunney
20. Carlos Monzon
21. Manny Pacquiao
22. Alexis Arguello
23. Tommy Hearns
24. Pernell Whitaker
25. Marvin Hagler
26. Barney Ross
27. Julio Cesar Chavez
28. Evander Holyfield
29. Jose Napoles
30. Mike Tyson
31. Bernard Hopkins
32. Kid Gavilan
33. Tony Canzoneri
34. Salvador Sanchez
35. Carmen Basilio
36. Tommy Loughran
37. Billy Conn
38. Ike Williams
39. Floyd Mayweather Jr
40. Emile Griffith
41. Aaron Pyror
42. Joe Frazier
43. Ruben Olivares
44. Tiger Flowers
45. Eder Jofre
46. Larry Holmes
47. Jimmy McLarnin
48. Panama Al Brown
49. Miguel Canto
50. Wilfredo Gomez ​

 

I think you're right about Canzoneri. But could you imagine Canzoneri beating Mayweather? This is part of the factor. If I made a top 50 Greatest Fighters list then Mayweather might not make it. Roy Jones Jr wouldn't, and Rocky Marciano wouldn't be in the top 10. I see your point, and I think you may be right.

Chavez was up near the 20's at one point, but I felt I was overrated so I put him back a few spots. I think I'm going to have to re-correct that. Chavez was clearly a H2H P4P monster due to his attributes. Pyror, a much better boxer though.

Sanchez fought in 1 division, albeit was one of the best in that division. Conn was a terrific LHW and nearly beat Joe Louis. Maybe I factored that in but that was important to me. Nobody dominated a prime Joe Louis more thoroughly than Conn. Says tons about his abilities.

 

Marciano did have skills but he made up for it in will, a terrific chin, and non-stop stamina. He ate up big slow guys that and out-brawled nearly everyone regardless of how much bigger they were. He beat HOF fighters like Walcott, Moore, and Charles. So he showed he can handle a lot of styles. Lastly, I pick Ali to beat Marciano H2H but this is P4P. If Ali was anywhere near Marciano's weight, Marciano would eat him up. It's as simple as that.

I rank Ali as the GOAT among HW and around the bottom of the top 10 if I was making a Greatest Fighters of All Time List. If I made a list like that, rather than this P4P type list than I would have Marciano around the 30-50 range. Make sense?

 

You have Marciano barely in your top 100 among an ATG list so you would never understand.

Roy Jones would never feature this high unless I was factoring in H2H and ability in the ring so much. The Resume is supposed to reflect more perspective on their P4P ability. If you win multiple belts, and beat up bigger man you get featured higher on the list. Plus you can't have just a one fight Buster Douglas night to feature on the list. So a good career matters.