PeteThePrince's Top 50 P4P Greatest Fighters Ever - ROUGH DRAFT!!

Pretty much. I moved Chavez up a tad, but I still contemplate how much he should be moved up. He's a tough one for to judge.

 

A little bit considering what a past prime Whitaker could do. But I definitely think he could be up a bit more... it's just a question of where.

Comparing him to Basilio is interesting. Basilio was a great welterweight but beat SRR at middleweight while having a 10 lb disadvantage. Robinson was past his prime but still Ray Robinson. Basilio had stamina, chin, toughness... all like Chavez. P4P I think Chavez was more brutal a puncher, but I think Basilio had better inside-skills.

Thanks yeah. Oh yeah, Michael Spinks was a beast at light-heavyweight. I think he had the style to deal with many different fighters. He was awkward too, and one of the few light-heavyweights to win the HW championship. Beating an old Cooney and Holmes is still impressive enough for me considering the rest of what he did. Spinks is the best name on Tyson's resume. And some forget how great of a fighter he was.

The Shavers giving him hell is an exaggeration. It was a white-wash one-sided affair. Holmes got caught big time but got up, ran around the ring via Tunney vs Dempsey II and went on to win. It says a lot about his recovery. At the same time, an ancient Ali wasn't even dropped by Shavers... A better Shavers too!

I considering Barrera for about 15 seconds. Just couldn't do it, but knew you would love it.

I considered it, still do. I don't subscribe to Holmes being as good as Ali H2H. Ali was faster with his hands and feet. Had stronger legs, a better chin, better staminaand I figure he was smarter. I think Ali had the intangibles and a better ability to find a way to overcome. Holmes, though, had a better left jab and a bit more power, and is better technically. A great fighter... I feel Holmes almost played down to his competition a bit. Ali dominated better for me with better winning opposition too. I have confidence Ali is capable of beating every Heavyweight on his best night. Holmes... not so much.

People forget about his stamina. He threw tons of punches in his 60's fights. People talk about his legs or lack of hand-speed when he came back. But he also didn't punch with his as much activity. Chuvalo talks about this, too.

 

Dundee says a lot of things man. Hear what he said about Cotto recently and why he thought he would beat Pac?

What about him thinking Douglas would beat Tyson AFTER the fact?

I love Angelo, but the guy tries to shine in the spotlight a little bit.

Better punching technique? Perhaps. But do you think he was a better inside fighter? I don't. Chavez will be moved. It's probably just where...

 

Yes and no.

Chavez is the better, harder puncher. I think Basilio gave your more composite punching over a 15 round time. Basilio was one of the best trained fighters. Out-working SRR while giving away 10 pounds at MW impresses the **** out of me. Chavez matches punch-resistance and toughness. While I admit Chavez was more brutal a puncher, I am not so sure he's better skilled on the inside, nor am I sure he's better defensively. If anything, maybe his punch-resistance was slightly better, but his defense was worse.

Where would you place Chavez?