PeteThePrince's Top 50 P4P Greatest Fighters Ever - ROUGH DRAFT!!

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by PetethePrince, Feb 16, 2010.


  1. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Mine isn't a list based on greatness with resumes, accomplishments, longevity, etc.

    My list is based on P4P in the literal sense of the word. If we took the fighters and evulated their skills/abilities and had them all weigh the same. I know it's silly, but the goal is to evaluate how great fighters are regardless of weight. Resume is there to see the greatness you rub up against. So I can't obviously but Douglas via Tokyo on the list. At the same time, it's more about reaching a peak with your skills rather than achieving greatness throughout. Hence Dempsey being so high. Hope that clears things up.
     
  2. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Whats up with Pep being so low:huh What kind of Italian are you:lol:
    You should have left Holyfield where you had him, Also id put Oscar above quite a few fighters in there some of the fighters id rate him above Gomez,Canto.Brown,Fraizer,Tyson and a few others.

    Especially regarding your criteria of pfp list, All of Delahoyas weight jumping should count for a lot especially considering your criteria.
     
  3. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Well Pep would be a bit higher if this was a list that was focused on greatness based on lonjevity, resume, experience, accomplishments, etc. Probably in my top 10.

    In this case, Pep was a 1 weight class type fighter. I guess he could be a few parts higher. I'll have to re-evaluate it. It's hard to put him above Moore. Who was clobbering Heavyweights 25+ pounds heavier, and beating men from MW to HW his entire life.

    Oscar lost most of his big fights. There's no way that I can put him above Frazier or Tyson on a P4P list factoring mainly skills/ability.
     
  4. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Here we go with Oscar lost most his big fights again. I get tired of arguing that for a guy I don't even particularly like (Oscar, I mean) so I won't. :nut
     
  5. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I'm sorry. Teddy Atlas has brainwashed me. Who should Oscar be above? And don't say Frazier or Tyson.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    When I see Dempsey in a top 10 it just tunes me out. Probably from years of tearing my hair out at Bert Sugar/Nat Fleishcer type lists.
     
  7. ricardoparker93

    ricardoparker93 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The guys in bold are the ones i have a real problem with. Obviously it's your own opinion but I cant comprehend how Dempsey and Burley are that high.
     
  8. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree this argument has been done a zillion times that im actually tired of it, Ill just accept the fact that he has become severly underrated by haters:-( Despite really winning 2 of those big fights people still want to hang on that weak argument.

    Im not gonna pick apart Fraizer and Tysons ( i am fans of both)record to prove how much better Delahoya was. Based on Petes criteria he should even be higher than would i first originally thought.

    And if you wanna talk about HTH matchups well then Ricardo Lopez should be here.
     
  9. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    At least 10 other guys.:yep
     
  10. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Maybe you should stop picking him over Wlad then. :good
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He could actually beat Wlad still belong nowhere near the top ten of such a list.
     
  12. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Burley at his best was genius. Archie Moore said the best fighter he ever fought was Burley. He fought Marciano, Patterson, Ali, and Charles.

    I kind understand why some have trouble with the ones you bolded. It's quite controversial. Spinks was one of the few LHW to become HW champion. Jones went from MW to HW champion. One of the only ones to do it (Along with Charles) and he did it in era where most Heavyweights weigh much more than 215. Both those guys were beasts physically, and proved themselves in multiple weight classes.

    Dempsey feasted on bigger fighters. Imagine a peak Dempsey at 210 pounds. He would be a terror. Marciano took all comers.
     
  13. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Not really. Considering how many here pick him and give him great chances against many Heavyweights due to his ability at his pinnacle. Many of the times he's undersized, and most think he has a great style to chomp bigger men down.

    So... why wouldn't Dempsey not be a fitting high candadite? Contemporaries rave about him at his peak. This isn't a list about greatness due to longevity, resume, accomplishments, etc.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Of the top HW's most-raved about at their peak, i'd suggest Jim Jeffries is the most lauded pre-Louis.
     
  15. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Well the list is 1920's onward. Now I can really tell you didn't read the info in the description. That's okay McGrain.