Phoenices: Greatest stretches between defeats.

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So Foreman doesn't count?

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  2. Jel

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    This one is definitely legit - Pernell Whitaker. Between 1988 after 'losing' to Jose Luis Ramirez and 1997 losing a split decision to Oscar de La Hoya, he went 9 years without defeat with a record of 25-0-1 and unbeaten in 20 title fights during this period. He beat Ramirez in their rematch, Azumah Nelson, Buddy McGirt twice and of course fought a winning draw against an undefeated Julio Cesar Chavez. A phenomenal run.
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Ehhhh...

    He was only back four years when he suffered that second bookending loss to Holyfield. Now, if Big G had thoroughly cleaned out the division and captured the lineal belt prior to losing to Holyfield, then it might be a discussion ..but...

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  4. CST80

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    Toney went 9 years between his losses to Thadzi and Peter.
     
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  5. tinman

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    I take slight issue with Bernard Hopkins being here because I dont know if he deserves a check mark for quality.

    Yes he was active with plenty of fights and defenses. He went almost a decade between losses.

    But quality opposition I'm not so sure. Most of his defenses were against ordinary contenders. Why in the hell did he have to fight Robert Allen 3 times? And his 2 most notable fights during his reign were against 2 blown up Welterweights. You could even speculate that DLH wasnt even a natural WW in size. Meanwhile Hopkins was nothing short of a physically enormous Middleweight

    I'm biased I dont like Hopkins. But I'd love for somebody to tell me those guys he fought in the 90s were something special.
     
  6. CST80

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    Come March Lomachenko will make it 6.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'm honestly not wild about the h2h caliber of most of what he feasted on during his MW reign, either...but the accomplishments on paper are hard to ignore:

    "12 years, 2 months. 24-0-1-1 (14). Won the IBF middleweight title and made 20 defenses (later adding the WBC title with 7 defenses and the WBA, RIng, and lineal championships with 6)."

    Wasn't all bums, either. But your point is valid. I much prefer Hagler's overall quality of middleweight challengers even though his unbeaten run was a bit shorter than B-Hop's. :thumbsup:
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

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    Yep but unlike Canelo, it strikes me as likely that Loma will retire undefeated in the next 6. :deal:
     
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  9. CST80

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    :sisi1
     
  10. tinman

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    I suppose if you look at the sheer total of defenses against top 10 competition over a period of 9 years its impressive. It's hard to stay that good for that long and not have 1 off night. Because even though those guys weren't the greatest fighters ever they still were world level guys.

    But none of his victories in a vaccum were impressive victories in a historical sense.
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

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    Yep.
     
  12. CST80

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    How'd you miss this one?:sisi1

    Hozumi Hasegawa went 9 years.
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :duh Literally made a retrospective thread on him last week, too. Actually that's probably what unconsciously inspired this whole thread.
     
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  14. kirk

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    How could anyone dispute Hoya being a natural welterweight? The guys 5'10" with a 73" inch reach and while not stocky he was hardly a twig either.

    Compare his size to Mayorga, Vargas and Ike, and it seems ridiculous to try and pretend that he wasnt a natural welterweight.
     
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  15. kirk

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    Interesting factoids here. Nice thread.