[Photo] Is Manny Pacquiao back on the juice?

Jmm evened the playing field and got his knock out

Everyone knows the natural marquez was able to outpoint the druggie manny, but he would be robbed of a decision

Thankfully he finally evened the playing field and knocked the juice head out and cement himself as the man of the rivalry

Manny has the better career, but marquez had his number and owns his soul

 

I don't believe manny juiced, isn't he afraid of needles?

He must have been born with the tattoos lol

Pacquiao is obviously a great fighter, but the biggest hypocrite in the game and not nearly as humble as portrayed

 

Damn, you're invested in this topic aren't you? lol

I can admit that it is very possible that almost all top athletes are on some kind of PEDs, I can admit that because its logical thinking. I don't care about Canelo being called Clenelo, or people saying he's on the juice, to each their own, for all I know he may very well be and I'd sure as hell sound like a ****ing idiot if I defended him.

You on the other hand have all this circumstantial evidence surrounding Pacquiao regarding his PED use, but you can't so as much consider the possibility that he is likely on something. You my guy are a fan boy.

 

You realize what this sounds like? If not, I'll help you. "Uh-oh, I'm losing another debate with someone! Time to pull out the ole', 'actually, I don't care about this at all! Look at you, silly fool, engaged in a conversation that I, myself, asked to be a serious conversation regarding this topic!' Ha-ha, I win, you idiot!"

In other words, you sound like a punk.

Except, and here's the thing; you don't admit that. And you do defend Canelo. All the time, actually. To the point of derailing threads and being utterly annoying gits. The difference between you and 22JM is you are more articulate, and the difference between you and JOKER is that people already know JOKER is a gimmick poster. That's why arguing with you is such a head-to-the-wall bashing affair.

Your 'circumstantial evidence' against Pacquiao is incredibly weak, and can be explained by other equally valid reasons. Quite different from the evidence of working with a convicted PED distributor, or elevated T/E ratios that get swept under the rug as 'bad tests' or administered IVs (that very well could have just been saline and was probably Mayweather just flexing how much he gets away with), or failing a test and claiming "contaminated cows, yo".

Come at me with something more substantial, and I will doubt Pac. Come at me with something damning, and I will actively argue against him as a cheater who stole money from fans and other boxers alike. Until then, don't waste my time with your bitterness that he officially beat Marquez in two fights you felt he should have lost.

Now, will you come have fun the RBRs with everyone or not?

 

“Gimmick poster”…I like that. I’m going to use that, but I’ll try to give you credit for it the first few times

 

Maybe not roids.
But definately he goy some help.

 

@IsaL 's a beta cuck. He lies and he posted a fake quote from an April Fool's article as evidence.

There's no point to debating him because when you give him concrete evidence, he ignores it and just continues to spew his lies.

 

Do you not consider it a possibility that it’s both hard work and dedication and PEDS?
PEDs are not some drugs like acid or blow, where once you ingest it the effects kick in and things change. PEDs require hard work and dedication to be of any significant benefit. Indeed, without hard work and dedication they can really mess you up.

 

I dont think pacman ever did roids, he doesn't have the traps of someone who does roids

 

Do you have a reading comprehension problem or are you just a liar?

My arguments are simple, direct, honest, and logical.

Your arguments are emotional.

This is a Pacquiao thread, yet you're the one bringing up Canelo and accusing me of derailing threads... hmm... lol

I have never stated that I know for sure that Canelo is innocent.

You seem to have a difficult time accepting that there is a likely chance that Pacquiao indeed is a PED user, which is strange to me because you don't know for sure. Could it be that you are too emotionally invested in Pacquiao that you cannot accept any criticism, especially criticism with much circumstantial evidence?

His ever growing head, Freddie Roach's accusations of him using PEDs, his moving up the weight classes without losing speed or power, his refusals for random testing, his teams different excuses for rejecting blood tests, his bacne, his second wind in his career around the time he got into the Wild Card Gym, his insane longevity, Ariza's background with PEDs... at the very least it should make you raise an eyebrow, and you should concede that there may be a possibility that Pac is a PED user.

Look at all that circumstantial evidence. I get Pac is your hero, but let's be real here.

 

Concrete evidence

 

Eh Eh Look like stiff jab bust a nerve....Missy Bitchy lol

 

Pac have been VADA tested multiple times since he arrived in US for Spence fight and they found him negative. Your behaviour is like Floyd who accused Pac of doping. But Floyd was the guilty one he used illegal IV to masked his PED in Pac fight. He was also found to have a very low T/E ratio for multiple ocassions. The abnormality of his T/E was a proof that he was on PED

You cannot just simply accused Pac that he is taking PED because of his unbelievable achievements of in boxing. That is a very stupid reasoning.

BTW Canelo and Floyd who are truly busted for PED use are bigger heads than Pac.

 

Neither. You on the other hand? Still up in the air.

They've been anything but. Emotional vitriol over two-three decisions over a decade ago, and blatant ignoring of historical records.

Yes, my incredibly emotional point of "Pac has always had large head, see any picture" and "his power has not carried up, see his record." Completely not-fact based. How do I live with myself?

Canelo was used to illustrate an example of how someone could, without cheating, continue to be an effective power-puncher as they moved up in weight, and in fact improve upon that, selected only because of your "emotional" attachment to the man. Instead of focusing on that point, or even just accepting it with a simple, "Hey, you could be right about Pacquiao, but I just don't think he can move that far up and still be an effective puncher," you dragged it into other things, because your "big factual arguments" are actually weak he-said, she-said nonsense. It's why you brought Marquez up in the first place, one of many little tricks you do to smoke-screen and shift focus in a debate when you don't feel comfortable where the conversation is going.

Yes you have. Again, I'm not entertaining the fantasy that you haven't.

As I have said, you don't have, "much circumstantial evidence". It is weak he-said she-said garbage, along with accusing a man with a big head having a big head. That's not in the same league as hidden elevated T/E ratios or working with a convicted felon over the crime of PED distribution; not by a long shot. Am I emotionally invested in Pacquiao? Sure I am; he's part of the reason I'm a boxing fan, I admit it. But for you to say I can't accept criticism would require to actually have a legitimate argument, which you don't; just garbage you repeat, hoping that somehow your noise drowns out everything else.

Let's be real; I've countered all of this and instead of debating those points you just repeat them ad nuaseum with obnoxious "well maybe you are just to like, EMOTIONAL to see the truth!" But once more for the people in the back:

-The man has always had a large head, which grew larger when the rest of him got bigger. Could it be HGH? Sure, but nothing to suggest that over, "sudden growth spurt because for first time food, and big head got bigger".

-He did not carry his "freakish" power up past lightweight - his "natural" weight-class when healthy - based on his record, so for you to keep saying that is a lie. Could he be on PEDs anyway and this helped with his career? Yes, but that's bordering on, "Well any professional athlete could be on something, you never know!" and if that is legit the sum-total of your arguments, there's no point in arguing, because you would be right, in the same way a child is right about the sky being blue.

-He's been VADA tested, so anything else regarding tests is irrelevant, especially with modern testing able to detect smaller and smaller half-lives of drugs. He also, according to B/R, did NOT avoid blood testing:

Now, call me crazy, but a man who takes a blood test doesn't really strike me as someone who avoids blood tests, now does he? On to your next silly point, and my God is it a doozy.


-"Career second wind when he gets to Wild Card?" This has to be the single most stupid thing I have ever heard. Fighters get "career second-winds" when they change training environments all the time. Literally, all the time. I'm embarrassed for you that you typed this sentence out with the implication that, "it's totally PED use, man!" Guess we learned how Buddy McGirt helped all those fighters!

-What is this background with PEDs you keep insisting Alex Ariza has? I looked, just to see if there was anything, but all I found is Freddie's crotchety old man comments to discredit someone he doesn't like (again, asking your ex for a character reference after a bad breakup) and an April Fool's article. Please point me in the direction of this PED background without citing either of the above, or stop bringing it up.

- Longevity is the only, and I mean the ONLY point you have to the possibility of him being a PED user because his longevity is insane. However, as this is something others have done, and this age of reduced schedules fighting twice a year, I can see it as possible doing it without PED use.

-...okay fine, bacne is slightly suss, but there are other reasons people get acne later in life, especially given Pac has been VADA and your precious blood tested. I get that raising an eyebrow. Getting bacne and massive muscle definition with Angel Guillermo "Memo" Heredia in your corner, is more than a little suss.

Now, do you have some actual counterpoints to these, or do you want to go to the RBR and watch boxing with other people who like boxing?