Mendoza continually asserts that 27 years old Joe Jeannette ,scaled 165lbs when he last fought Jack Johnson. Given that Jeannette scaled 185lbs for a fight with Sam McVey less than 5 months later, does anyone think this is likely? http://www.joejennette.com/sitebuilder/images/jack_johnson_vs_joe_jennette-909x701.jpg This content is protected
You are star crossed and myopic when it comes to Johnson,. It only takes 3 seconds to look at that photo to come to the conclusion that Johnson had a huge weight advantage. Jeanette said he was 165 pounds when he last meet Johnson, and News papers said Johnson had at least a 25 pound weight advantage. I'm sure they were wrong....in your book. Jeanette looks like a super middle weight in the photo. Did I mention that Jeanette was a raw novice in many of the fights? Indeed his ring record was a losing one, or near .500 when he meet Johnson. NEXT.
I don't know what Jeanette weighed, I have no idea ...... but Johnson looks a bit soft/fat, he's probably about 220 there.
So at age 27 ,Jeannette was 165lbs and 5 months later he had put on 20lbs,despite fighting three bouts in between?:think Fifteen months after fighting Johnson ,for which you say he scaled 165lbs ,Jeannette scaled 200lbs for a fight with Sam Langford.:huh Jeannette looks like a super middle wight in the photo? I don't think so, you seem pretty vague about super middleweights at the best of times, usually referring to them as " supper middleweights". Perhaps you have invented your own weight division,as you have invented so many other things on here? When I showed the measurements of Tommy Burns on another thread , you said that Burns would look average to below average against modern super middles , in many areas . When I pointed out that Burns was considerably bigger in many areas than several Heavyweight Champions , you did not reply. Originally Posted by Mendoza This content is protected Respectable? Maybe for a middle weight. If we take Burns at 168 pounds, and compare him to a modern super middle weight, he will look average to below average in many of the listed areas. Burns was bigger in the chest than. Corbett .2" Johnson. 2.5" Charles .1" Marciano. 1" M Spinks 2" Bigger in the biceps than. Fitz . 2.5" Marciano.0.5" Patterson.0.25" M Spinks.1" Bigger in the forearms than. Corbett.2.5" Fitz . 3.5" Schmeling.0.25" Braddock . 0 .5" Louis. 1" Charles.1" Marciano.1" Patterson.1" L.Spinks.1" M.Spinks.1" Bigger in the neck than. Fitz.1" M Spinks.0.5" Had a longer reach than. Sullivan . 0.5" Corbett.1.5" Fitz.2.75" Hart.0.5" Johnson.0.5" Walcott.0.5" Charles.0.5" Marciano.6.5" Patterson.3.5" Johannson.2" Tyson.2" All these guys would look small against modern super middleweights?atsch Burns had a 3.75" expansion on his chest that's pretty good, a damn sight better than yours I bet. So Burns had a bigger chest than , 5 other heavyweight champs. Bigger biceps than 4 others. Bigger forearms than. 10 others. A longer reach than 11 other champs. You talk absolute twaddle. That is the post. Now, how about you go to the other thread, and admit you have told at least 6 lies concerning Jack Johnson , and that you now retract them?
I don't know what the exact weights were, but Johnson looks heavy and Jeannette looks bigger than a super-middleweight in the photo... MR.BILL
Is it confirmed what year this was taken because Johnson looks to be about the size he was when he defended against Frank Moran and I do not ever remember reading that he ballooned like that so early in his career ... Jeannette may have been 180 or so here but still looks lean and lighter than Jack .. I think it's very possible this was taken at some sort of exhibition or public event at a much later date ... pretty sure in fact ...
H. E. You have given the game away ,and nearly before my trap was sprung.:nono The photo was taken in 1914 Jeannette was around 200lbs ,and Johnson over 220lbs! Apologies for misleading the genuine posters, I just wanted Mendoza to jump in with both feet, and he duly did.:yep Super middleweight my arse !!!!!atsch
Yes he is all of that . My fear was Apollack would pre-empt things by pointing out when the photo was taken . I didn't reckon on H.E. spilling the beans. Fortunately Mendoza had committed himself by then.
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Mcvey, You love to post photos, and then pick and choose your dates that do not correspond to what you are talking about. In this case I simply told you the facts. In the photo Johnson is much heavier in this photo. Jeannette said he was 165 “ a super middleweight “ pounds when he last fought Johnson! Are you calling him a liar? I posted his own words here a while back. I am correct on both counts. It is unclear if you were aware when the photo was taken on your inital post. It matters not, you lie like the rug. The fact that Johnson lost and drew to a novice at that weight when he had far more experience and at least 20 pounds on Jeannette does not enhance his legacy. Quite the reverse.
You'd love to post photos , but are too thick to work out how to do it. Jeannette made that claim when he was angling for a title shot with Johnson, its called self- promotion. Johnson signed to defend against Jeannette several times, outside pressures prevented the fights happening. See my thread and the accompanying reports of it. I've had that photo in my favourites for some time , I've actually posted it before ,with the right date on it ! You stated ,"Jeannette looks like a super middleweight to me". Jeannette was around 200lbs when this photo was taken. Have you heard the expression ," Hook ,Line and Sinker"? Well ,your biased , bigoted ,bumptious, buffoonish, brain-dead, response to the original post epitomises that! YOU'VE BEEN HAD & BIG TIME !!!SUCKER !!!. NOW, GO TO THE OTHER THREAD AND RETRACT ALL THOSE LIES YOU HAVE BEEN REPEATING SINCE YOU'VE BEEN HERE , DOCTOR Z
The weights are not mentioned in three next-day (1906-11-27) non-local reports. Two gave the decision of a draw, and one scored for Johnson (it was a no decision bout, contary to what boxrec says). Jeannette was down near the end of the last round, either once or twice.