Pick 5 fighters you think will have the best chance of being an ATG

"Clear Edge". Exactly my point, Warrior. I've never claimed or even come close to saying that Cotto is as good as Marqeuz, but they are comparable. He had his clear edge in terms of ability, and accomplishments, but I see no advantage when you look at their respective win columns. My whole point from the beginning was clear, Marquez is more comparable to a Miguel Cotto than he is a Marco Antonio Barrera or Erik Morales, who both beat great fighters during their primes. Marquez hasn't but I listed him among the five because he has the potential to be on that level. You'll notice I didn't list Cotto.

Let's talk resume. What makes Marquez win column that much better than Cotto's? Old Barrera is his signature win, victories over Juan Diaz, Rocky Juarez, Manuel Medina, Robbie Peden, old Casamayor are all good. That's all. He doesn't have a big signature win like a prime Morales on his record, or a prime Naseem Hamed on his resume. He isn't quite there, which is why I can only scoff at those who actually consider Marquez to be the greatest Mexican since Chavez. Laughable.

 

"Arguably" being the operative word. He didn't actually beat Pacquiao, and therefore I'm not going to credit him as doing so. Pretty simple, actually.

 

And mine, Cotto is a hall of famer but not an ATG, he is no higher then a top 10 of all time in any division he has fought in.

 

Well this is a fans sport and it is the opinion of the fans that matter in the long run when deciding someones legacy rather than bowing down to every judges decisions, actually.

 

Has cotto ever been top 3 p4p? He certainly had enough time in the sport to achieve such a status.

 

Andre ward
giovanni segura
nonito donaire

 

If we already assume Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao are. Both top 50 fighters all time.

 

Dont quote me on this but i really cant remember him being higher then #8 on p4p list, even when he was at his best.

 

You forgot Derrick Gainer of which he unified the titles agaisnt, and his draw and close SD with possibly the greatest fighter of this generation which the majority of boxing writers thought he won are far superior to anything on Cotto's smoke and mirrors resume.

Marquez beat champions, unfied titles, became Ring Champion, Cotto hasnt. Its that simple. And in terms of skill and abilities, its not even close.

You slag Marquez resume, but lets see Cotto's.

Corley
Torres
Bailey
Malignaggi
Mosley
Quintana
Judah
Clottey(Gift)
Yuri Foreman

Legacy of an ATG to you?

I think you are better off comparing Cotto to Ricky Hatton rather then Juan Manuel Marquez. Mosley is honestly his only saving grace a fight that could have gone either way.

 

To be frank apart from wladdy all of these potential candidates are going to have to do a lot to become ATG.

Why are people throwing about the meaning of ATG.

Andre ward has good potential also but imo he will need to win supersix defend that succesfully several times and unify at lightheavyweight.

This generations fighters have alot to overcome to get their.

 

if cotto is an ATG, guess we throw winky in there too

 

Wlad
Maybe Vit with a big win
Ward
JMM

 

Man, get off of Marquez's balls a little. He became Ring Champion by beating Juan Diaz, the same Juan Diaz who was almost unanimously selected by posters in a recent thread about most overrated fighters who were considered 'the man' at their weight class. AND, he was getting an ass beating for most of the fight, before he found that uppercut down the middle.

Marquez will always be a legend for his fights with Pacquiao, but the rest of his resume is being a little overrated on this thread at the moment. I mean, Rocky Juarez, Joel Casamayor, losing to Chris John, a win (which I felt should have gone the other way) over a faded MAB, is all that really one-upping Cotto?

Judah is easily on the level of Juarez and Casamayor, Clottey too. Cotto knocked Quintana out in five rounds, like he was a chump...the same Quintana who went on to outbox Paul Williams, the current #6 P4Per. Malignaggi easily outboxed the same guy Marquez just beat twice, Cotto broke Malignaggi's face in.

Another thing to look at is, Cotto only lost to probably the most feared WW at the time (and one who liked had loaded gloves), and probably the best or second best fighter of this generation. Marquez a lose to guy named Freddy Norwood.

 

yet PW beat margo, who beat cotto


you should know better....you cant do the A beat B and B beat C so A is better than C thing in boxing...doesnt work...bceause C goes out and Kicks A's ass...and u have a giant messy algebra problem with no answer

 

I know what you're saying, all I was doing was putting the Quintana win in perspective. Quintana isn't a big name, nor does it look like an impressive win, but that bit of history gives it more credit. PW and Margo don't need the same preface, we already know these would be big wins for any resume.