Pick 5 fighters you think will have the best chance of being an ATG

that's my point....most would laugh if u say winky was ATG (top 100) material...but many have cotto there...just don't get it

 

Agree that all the above will make it.

Juan Manuel Marquez already qualifies IMO.

Mosley, if he can pull off some good wins on his way out would cement it, but I think qualifies now.

Wlad:
- Will unify the titles if he can get the fights
- Already has more title defenses, a higher KO % and winning streak than many ATG heavyweights, will only improve from here.
- As he becomes more confident, he will loosen up and let his hands go more, and then he will be a beast.

 

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Disagree. Top 15 or 20 maybe.

 

I think it will be Benavidez, Gamboa, and Juanma.

 

Is this a joke? I can't tell.

I look at who they fought and defeated, and in that regard, Marquez and Cotto are comparable.

I'm not slagging his resume, it's just not that of an ATG...in my opinion.

And this is inferior to wins over Barrera (old), Casamayor (old), Juan Diaz, Medina, Juarez, Peden, and Gainer? I'd go as far to say that Miguel has a better win column.

Certainly not. Anyone who thinks Cotto is an ATG needs to reevaluate things.

Mosley is infinitely more impressive than anything on Marquez's resumes.

 

Cotto is a three weight world champion, also.

Juan Manuel Marquez didn't draw with a peak Pacquiao, the Fililipino is a far greater fighter today than he was at 126lbs.

Marco Antonio Barrera was old, and turned in one of his worst performances in years. Casamayor was also borderline shot, and Juan Diaz has been defeated by Paulie Malignaggi, a Miguel Cotto victim.

Your percentages are incorrect. He hasn't defeated Manny Pacquiao. These are facts.

The circumstances for him having an average resume is irrelevant, but he does have an average resume, especially comparatively to the level of fighters hes often compared with or considered greater than.

Marquez was fighting second tier Featherweights for most part, and the first time he tried to take on "the man", he received a draw. He didn't dominate 126lbs, he dominated Robbie Peden, Manuel Medina, and Derrick Gainer. A murderer's row.

As I say, the victory over Mosley is infinitely better than anything on Marquez's resume.

Agreed. :good

 

There is nothing special about Miguel Cotto's resume. But people need to also come to terms with the fact that there is nothing special about Juan Manuel Marquez's resume either. They'll be quick with their counter-argument, "Well, Marquez was ducked for the majority of his career because he was such a destroyer and killing third rate opposition at 126lbs." That may well be the case, but it's irrelevant to the overall point. He's partially to blame also, perhaps he'd have got opportunities sooner had he not lost to he likes of Freddie Norwood and Chris John. It's worth thinking about.

 

Having more fights at a weight does not make a fighter be regarded higher in terms of accomplishments.

 

MichiganWarrior, you put far too much emphasis on titles. They aren't important or significant in boxing any more. If we were talking about beating totlists and unifying and this was pre-1980, you'd have a good point, but things have changed. Titles are no longer in the hands of the best fighters so they don't matter in terms of legacy.

And the biggest achievement of Marquez's career is drawing with pre-prime Pacquiao or running him close in a rematch. Very good but he doesn't have a win over him.

 

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Juan Manuel Marquez
Shane Mosley
Sergio Martinez or Paul Williams
Vitali or Wlad

 

Exactly.

He was the man in this division, and he unified in that division. So what? I'm looking at who Juan Manuel Marquez defeated.

Wladimir Klitschko unified titles at Heavyweight. That's wonderful, but all that really amounts to is a victory over Ibragimov.

In my opinion, when you're ranking fighters, you look at who they faced and who they defeated. Other factors come into play when you have two combatants with similar resumes, and this is where Marquez separates himself from the likes of Miguel Cotto.

 

Wow what utter shite.

Pac dominated MAB when he was #3 p4p and was coming off a great streak. MAB had excuses, so did Toney. Dominated multiple divisions? Havent dont anything historic? How about this, first guy to win 4 lineal championships in 4 different divisions. First guy to win titles in 7 different divisions, soon to be 8. Pretty historic to me.

 

All great fighters will have excuses. Wrong socks, anyone? I'm not getting on Manny, just want to have that clarified. If and when Floyd Mayweather loses, there will be excuses. If Joe Calzaghe or Ricardo Lopez had lost in their careers, there would have been excuses.