Pick 5 fighters you think will have the best chance of being an ATG

You conveniently fail to mention the draw with pac, which tops off anything on cotto's resume.

Your agenda is sickening as well as transparent.

Marquez draw with pac is better than any win on cotto's resume FACT.

 

Holy ****, what part of "let's compare their top 5 wins" do you not understand. :blood

"WINS"

And besides, a draw over 126lbs Pacquiao is not better than a victory over pre-Margarito Mosley. :verysad

 

so is winky top 100 ATG?

 

Okay, let's clarify for all of the overzealous, confused Floyd Mayweather enthusiasts who cannot stand to see a Pacquiao victim being lauded.

Nobody here, and I repeat, nobody, is making a claim for Miguel Cotto being considered an All Time Great. That has never happened. Not since the thread began, nobody has ever claimed Cotto is an ATG. One poster suggested he had potential but that's as far as that went. So you can all calm down and sleep easy knowing that Pacquiao did not whip an ATG two fights ago.

 

Joshua Clottey = Top Rank manufactured gift. Cotto did not win that fight.

Carlos Quintana = Only known for his victory over Paul Williams, KO'd early in the next fight and stopped by Andre Berto. Right place right time fighter. Never would have won a title otherwise.

Barrera was champ. Gainer was champ. None of the fighters above, with the exception of Mosley and Judah who was done as a welterweight by that point had won anything by the time Cotto fought them and none were current champions.

I'd take Marquez resume easily.

 

So being the king of a division means nothing to you? Ring champ means best in the division. How is that not taken into account legacy wise? :nut

 

Barrera was practically done, the equivalent of a Joshua Clottey. He's my favorite fighter of all time, I own 60 of his fights on DVD, and researched his career from top to bottom. Don't insult my intelligence by saying otherwise. Soft in the body, almost non-existent body work, was out on his feet by the Championship rounds, and would retire later the same year.

Here we have Michigan Warrior drawing his conclusions with the help of Boxrec and judging fighters by how many titles they held at the time, whereas I review the footage and evaluate the quality of the opposition on the night. This is why we have a difference of opinion. Nobody has claimed Miguel Cotto is anything other than a very good fighter for his time, but Floyd's fans are so terrified at the notion of Manny's resume growing once more, they have shouted down claims that haven't even be claimed.

I scored the Clottey fight for Miguel Cotto.

 

Not a huge fan of his but lets be real, Wlad is already approaching ALT status. The guys hasn't lost a fight in over 6 years and probably has alteast another 2 years ahead of him, even more so if he can stay as sharp as his older brother. He is far and away the dominate force in the post Lewis/Tyson/Holyfield era.

 

It's taken into account when discussing accomplishments. I'm discussing resume, the quality of the fighters they actually defeated and once more, in that regard, Miguel Cotto and Juan Manuel Marquez are "comparable". Worthy of comparison. There is no clear distinction between the two resumes. Marquez has signature wins over old weathered opposition, and so does Miguel Cotto, but at least his opponent went on to do something noteoworthy. Fighters like Derrick Gainer, Manuel Medina, Joshua Clottey, and Zab Judah are of comparable quality. They were former World Champions, long time contender quality opposition.

 

To bad a lot of people give marquez a win over pac, which makes any comparison pathetic.

 

YES IT IS

 

No...no, it isn't.

 

Well I didn't give Marquez a win over Pacquiao. It didn't happen.

By your logic, Castillo is an ATG because "most" people scored the first Mayweather fight in his favor. Let me guess...you didn't?

 

I actually had the fight a draw on my cards.

Does that make Castillo an ATG, hell no. Looking at his whole career with that win included (if we gave it to him), plus the cassayamor win, Corrales, he hall of fame for sure.

The difference between marquez and castillo is. Marquez fought pac twice, he drew once and won the 2nd fight. Marquez has also remained p4p top 10 for a number of years, while moving up in weightclass castillo has not.

So no winning one fight doesn't make you an ATG, but it does help your case with the body of work and the achievements and rankings along the way.

 

He won the second fight? :huh

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