Pick a fighter who deserves the WAR cap

Eggman · May 11, 2020

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Don't forget to add Carl Thompson name to the inductees....
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Iv added him to the list of maybes, needs one more person to openly cosign And he’s in!

Eggman · May 11, 2020

Il throw one out there

josetio Lopez

Eggman · May 11, 2020

DrederickTatum said: ↑

Fighting Harada
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Educate me quickly, takes a special case to skip the co-sign process.

not too clued up on this chap but he must be WAR

DrederickTatum · May 11, 2020

Eggman said: ↑

I’m happy to co-sign mr Carl Thompson.

Any objections? Must give reason!
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Eggman said: ↑

Il put Lucas M, Enzo, and amir Khan to a vote.

i reckon if amir hadn’t quit against bud he’d be a lock......
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Carl Thompson gets my cosign based on the Sellers effort.

Amir Khan crossed continents to get away from Kell Brook. No war hat for Khan.

Enzo gets no Cosign from me.

Jung Koo Chang NEEDS to be on that list.

George Crowcroft · May 11, 2020

Eggman said: ↑

Educate me quickly, takes a special case to skip the co-sign process.

not too clued up on this chap but he must be WAR
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Watch this (it's 3 minutes) and tell me he doesn't need a war cap. He wins btw.

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DrederickTatum · May 11, 2020

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An unbelievably skilled swarmer, one of the greatest ever. His left hand is one of the all time best ever, constantly moving, lots of feints, left hooks and a superb jab. He blended these feints with his head-movement and so set up his mean right hand. He'd get full extension, full rotation and torque on his shots, and set up his beautiful left to the body from them.

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•Workrate - Harada's punch output was insane, his left hand was almost always doing something and his right would snap down at any given moment. The pace he set was incredibly hard to deal with and almost impossible to win rounds against.
•Athleticsm - Man was so fast! He blazed out of his corner and his hands were all seemingly everywhere. Bodyshots, headshots, feints, jabs ect, he'd work them in to flurries in milliseconds, and that's just his hands. His feet were crazy quick too, very hard to pin down. Harada was also explosive, bursting into crazy accurate snapping shots.
•Technique - Perfect punch structure, Harada got perfect torque, balance and distance in his shots as much as possible. He gave limited counter opportunities too, despite his workrate, by making sure his hooks were as tight as possible and his straight punches were straight back to the chin or the hip extension left his chin covered.
•Footwork - Near perfect aggressive footwork. Lots of shifts and half steps to disturb rhythm and perfect angles to cut off the ring. Harada's foot-movement was so natural and fluid, it's amazing how he used it to get full hip rotation on his shots whilst keeping guys trapped and remaining completely balanced.
•Physicality - despite his size, he was a strong mutha****er. He easily forced Medel, Jofre, Pone and other world level fighters back to the ropes and bulled them around.

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•Size - Harada was a very small guy, especially at BW. He learned to use it to his advantage, but a guy with T-Rex arms would always have issues with a long rangy guy who knows how to use it. Then again, how many people could use range better than Jofre?
•Balls - His own aggression and fighter attitude could get him tagged by hard bangers and was the direct cause of his loss to Medel(well aside from Medel's power).
•Style - hard to say if this is actually a weakness, but as a swarmer he would always have issues with a guy who held their feet and could back Harada up and/or steer him into shots or land cleanly. It might not be a weakness but charging at elite level fighters, full speed isn't the safe method.
•Offence - obviously this isn't the weakness, but when he didn't have it he was gone. You shut it down, or at least try to negate it, then you stand a much better chance of winning. Harada didn't like holding, if you smothered his work on the way in, you start laying a decent blueprint for beating him. Medel & Jofre showed he didn't like guys who could fight off the ropes.

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•Power - not a particularly big puncher, certainly not a Wilde or Olivares but respectable power with the volume he came at. Whether it be the accumulation of shots to break someone down, or just keep them honest; his power was serviceable.
•Chin - definitely not bad but being stopped and wobbled by Medel isn't a confidence boosting result. He did take some massive wacks from Jofre though, and was pretty much fine. He showed throughout his career that his chin was good, but also showed that his chin was crackable. Ergo: "Serviceable".
•Defence - very good at times, as he could slip shots in bunches then counter but he has "Canelo Syndrome"*, and so gets hit clean more than he had too. It's more a product of his style than having a bad defence.

*Where he has to be actively thinking about his defence to turn it up.

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Harada showed he could deal with a well schooled southpaw when he obliterated Aoki. He establish lead foot dominace and worked his lead over Aoki's with counters. Then he mixed his rights in and couldn't miss.

For mine, losses are always a good place to start looking for analysis. Harada's were definitely eye-openers. The José Medel loss revealed, in my eyes at least, that a boxer-puncher with great finishing skills who could time Harada and hurt him would be able to finish him off, or this version at least. Harada improved this weakness, but not enough to stop me picking an ATG with these attributes over him (think Zarate, Olivares ect).

The 2nd Pone fight showed me that Harada had issues working as cleanly against someone willing to stink out the joint and hold him upclose. He also had issues with Pone's jab and movement. The Rose fight tends to get written off, due to Harada's weight issues but it shows similar aspects to the Pone fight. Imo it shows that a slick mover with good infighting prowess and crafty defences.

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Harada at BW was a much more complete fighter, and in a vacuum I'd wager a better one, but there are distinct differences that effect how he is to be perceived at the two weights. At Fly he was much rawer and more inclined to stay on offence and his physical strength was much more noticeable, as was his power. His chin was also seemingly better, although it wasn't tested nearly as much. Masahiko was more devastating at Fly, but not as refined and easier to hit. Whereas at BW he is much more undersized than at fly and so wasn't as much of a physical presence. He did have a better understanding of how to dictate range and manage distance though and showed a more technically advanced lead at 118, as well as more versatility with his footwork. However he was much faster, more ferocious with a higher workrate, comparatively*. All of that is well and good, but the MAJOR difference was that he had learnt how to back off and recover when hurt instead of picking up the pace and trying to get a stoppage himself.

*His workrate and speed was probably slower but the speed and volume of the average elite Fly is higher than the average elite BW. I think it's an advantage coz Harada was better than the best BWs in these areas, despite being worse in them than he was at Fly.

@IntentionalButt, opinions?
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George already put the work in.

Eggman said: ↑

Educate me quickly, takes a special case to skip the co-sign process.

not too clued up on this chap but he must be WAR
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Eggman · May 11, 2020

Based on fellow WAR enthusiast Mr Tatums passion for Jung koo Chang he will receive a golden hat and be inducted directly in. Congrats Jung! Good news in dark times.

Inductees so far for the MMWC

Marvin johnson
Mo saad
Ted cheeseman
Adam kownacki
Dwight qawi
Jean pascal
Kevin Kelley
Jung koo Chang

up for debate

fighting hereda
Lucas M
C. Thompson

Rejected applicants

Amir Khan
Ike the president
Edwin Valero
Ruslan Provodnikov
Enzo M

Eggman · May 11, 2020

Harada clips being watched now but looks like we are having a productive evening

George Crowcroft · May 11, 2020

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fighting hereda
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I'll cosign Harada.

Eggman · May 11, 2020

Also will watch some of Chang now to ensure the integrity of the MMWH HOF

edit - he’s been co-signed but il still watch

George Crowcroft · May 11, 2020

DrederickTatum said: ↑

George already put the work in.
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I wrote that in February and already feel I could do much better job.

George Crowcroft · May 11, 2020

Eggman said: ↑

Also will watch some of Chang now to ensure the integrity of the MMWH HOF

edit - he’s been co-signed but il still watch
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If you've got time later. Watch the Tokashiki fight, ATG brawl where the one in blue (Chang) wins.

It's about half an hour or so.

Eggman · May 11, 2020

George Crowcroft said: ↑

I wrote that in February and already feel I could do much better job.
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share the knowledge brotha

DrederickTatum · May 11, 2020

Eggman said: ↑

Also will watch some of Chang now to ensure the integrity of the MMWH HOF

edit - he’s been co-signed but il still watch
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George Crowcroft said: ↑

If you've got time later. Watch the Tokashiki fight, ATG brawl where the one in blue (Chang) wins.

It's about half an hour or so.
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You are in for a treat my friend.

Eggman · May 11, 2020

At the real lower weights my knowledge is pretty thin, I admit it! Always good to see WAR in the real low weights

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