Pick a side and eloquently state your case in favor of or against same-day weigh-ins.

Fisty_Cuffs_21 · Aug 24, 2023

It's Ovah said: ↑

Same day weigh ins.

I hear people against this idea bring up the argument that more fighters will end up in a dehydrated state come fight night and end up permanently injured. Yeah, probably. At first. Then when they realise they aren't able to get the same sort of benefit from weight cutting as they used to get with twenty four hour rehydration periods we'll start to get fighters competing in their actual weight classes. It's a necessary evil, to weed out the idiots who think they can still get away with massive weight cuts and end up getting their shrunken asses whupped. And for those who still insist on fighting below their natural weight class, too bad. Time to move up fatty.
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This 100% - Exactly!

Mickc · Aug 24, 2023

Same day weigh ins,I’ve mentioned it for years !
Then at least it’s a level playing field as the fighter with the most money has the benefit of people in his team that are able to manipulate the weigh in/access to Substance/peds far more than a fighter that does not have the finances or the team behind him. At least then fighters are actually fighting in the Division they are supposed to be in and not in some cases where come fight time they actually weigh in divisions above were they are fighting at. Same day weigh ins will weed out the weight bully’s as well as making them fight in there TRUE weight class !

Serge · Aug 24, 2023

Same day weigh ins. They created weight divisions for a reason. Now we have fighters campaigning in the same weight class who look like different species by the time they climb into the ring, one weighing 1, 2, 3 or even occasionally 4 weight classes more than the other.

thehook13 · Aug 24, 2023

Periodic weigh ins in the lead upto the fight week isnt a bad idea either. Monitoring stages of weight loss. Ensures fighter is within a certain percent of the weight limit. I'm more concerned about hydration then weight bullying

MismatchHypejob · Aug 24, 2023

Fisty_Cuffs_21 said: ↑

Same day weigh-ins. If you know the risks and are happy to cut that much weight, no love lost. You own the risks. End of. However, their commercial managers/promoters have to be held to account and assume liability should excrement hit the fan. Legally speaking, there has to be something in existing contracts between fighters about insurance and money for health issues - well, for the big, money fighters at least!(?)

Like @MismatchHypejob says, almost (mainly the American + British) the entire boxing system now relies on obfuscating the public with young lads who can obviously cut & rehydrate a lot of weight in a short amount of time due to their natural distinct biology (+ help from PEDs). All the while fighting other fighters with a significant weight advantage and/or activity (+ other shenanigans e.g., gloves, ring size, hydration clauses, NDAs, etc.) The cat's out of the bag and it ain't going back in.

The sport's just mucked up now. I don't think there's any saving it from just being a way to legally milk money from a naive paying customer. How many records nowadays can we say, yeah, this guy is good, has no astericks and has fought and sought out the best competition available relative to his level? Not many I can think of really tbh.

The quicker these established big outfits go, the better, yeah I'm taking dazn, TR, pbc, etc. Get back to small outfits hashing out deals between them and see where we fall.

Thing is as well, today's boxers are ****ing entitled. Bivol can afford to sit out and not fight and doss around. The canelos and AJs can take easy gimme fights whilst getting 10s of millions in net pay. The whole sport is one big spiv run, lazy boy circus with rip off products. F you boxeo.
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A** post

MismatchHypejob · Aug 24, 2023

Fisty_Cuffs_21 said: ↑

How many records nowadays can we say, yeah, this guy is good, has no astericks and has fought and sought out the best competition available relative to his level? Not many I can think of really tbh.

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100% asterisks everywhere.

Endless list of possible deck stacking: Aging opponents out, draining, weight bullying, fighting guys that are inactive (Crawford fighting Spence for example who had 1 fight in 2 and a half years).

IntentionalButt · Aug 24, 2023

So far the poll in General is 18-5 in favor of same-day, while Classic is near unanimous (10-1).

007 373 5963 · Aug 24, 2023

Reg said: ↑

Same day weigh ins with fight week weight checks are the best option.
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Agreed 110%

Weigh the fighters every day for 5 days straight including the day of the fight. The "ceremonial" weigh-in with the press can still be the day before, for fun. But the fighters should need to make weight all 5 days in a row including fight day.

C.J. · Aug 24, 2023

Whatever the weight limit is eg. 147 pounds NEITHER fighter should weigh more than that limit on fight night
That would put paid to all the weight bullies. The post earlier that claimed regular weight checks up to fight time, would help has an excellent point too.

Braindamage · Aug 24, 2023

JOKER said: ↑

I vote for nude weigh ins with no genitalia blocking signage on the scales.
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They can only wear a small boxing glove on the head of their junk.

SpeedKills · Aug 24, 2023

Same day weigh ins (about 3-5 hours before the fight as I believe it was) and perhaps some weight checks closing into the weigh-in.

36+ hours to rehydrate is ridiculous.

IntentionalButt · Aug 24, 2023

I've not seen any really coherent or enthusiastic arguments here or in Classic for keeping what has become the status quo (day-before) - the cynic in me wonders if all on the boxing community feel the same way and the reason we do this really boils down to nothing more than putting hype & marketing above safety?

mono · Aug 24, 2023

IntentionalButt said: ↑

So far the poll in General is 18-5 in favor of same-day, while Classic is near unanimous (10-1).
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And those 5 in favor of day-before have not given any type of explanation of why.

CST80 · Aug 24, 2023

Serge said: ↑

Same day weigh ins. They created weight divisions for a reason. Now we have fighters campaigning in the same weight class who look like different species by the time they climb into the ring, one weighing 1, 2, 3 or even occasionally 4 weight classes more than the other.
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IntentionalButt said: ↑

I've not seen any really coherent or enthusiastic arguments here or in Classic for keeping what has become the status quo (day-before) - the cynic in me wonders if all on the boxing community feel the same way and the reason we do this really boils down to nothing more than putting hype & marketing above safety?
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Well you're about to get one and a reasonable highly logical one at that and no, this isn't just me being a contrarian, this is genuinely how I feel.

Day before, keep it the way it is. While sure the day of would cut down on weight bullies. But ultimately, is that that much of an issue in the sport? Most fighters make weight and then rehydrate to a relatively similar amount for fight night. So because they'd need to be healthy and fit going into the ring on fight night, they'd have to fight at their usual rehydration weight. Which would end up forcing countless fighters to fight in weight divisions that they're simply not suited for and ruin several careers in the process. Think about it, Inoue rehydrates up to 130-135. Now sure, this would also force Gervonta up to 147 or even 154. But there will be a few guys that can make 135 comfortably, that are way bigger than Inoue and they'd be at an unfair advantage. So the reality is, in an attempt to weed out weight bullies, this would simply end up creating a whole new class of them. An excellent example, it would force Spence to fight GGG, after all they both rehydrate to around 170.

IntentionalButt · Aug 24, 2023

CST80 said: ↑

Well you're about to get one and a reasonable highly logical one at that and no, this isn't just me being a contrarian, this is genuinely how I feel.

Day before, keep it the way it is. While sure the day of would cut down on weight bullies. But ultimately, is that that much of an issue in the sport? Most fighters make weight and then rehydrate to a relatively similar amount for fight night. So because they'd need to be healthy and fit going into the ring on fight night, they'd have to fight at their usual rehydration weight. Which would end up forcing countless fighters to fight in weight divisions that they're simply not suited for and ruin several careers in the process. Think about it, Inoue rehydrates up to 130-135. Now sure, this would also force Gervonta up to 147 or even 154. But there will be a few guys that can make 135 comfortably, that are way bigger than Inoue and they'd be at an unfair advantage. So the reality is, in an attempt to weed out weight bullies, this would simply end up creating a whole new class of them. An excellent example, it would force Spence to fight GGG, after all they both rehydrate to around 170.
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One finally emerged in the Classic thread as well:

Terror said: ↑

People cut weight regardless. With the rehydration time you have fewer dry brains. I think there are more deaths in same day amateur as in 24h pro. During the same day weigh in period as well we had some of the most notable fatalities in boxing, the dry brain is a bad bad thing and Tommy Hearns is a notable victim of it in 1981 I believe.

People are going to cut 10-12 regardless, with an extra 24 hours they can reasonably get to 20-25 typically above 160. Under 160 a typical cut between weigh in and ring walk is 15-18, probably more now, but in the mid 2000s it was about there (Pacquiao and Marquez both added 18lbs for their second fight if you can believe it). If you do a morning weigh in and fight in 12 hours, vs. doing a morning weigh in and fighting in 24 (more like 30) hours, you are getting 2-3x as much time but you aren't cutting 2-3x as much weight, that's why it is safer for fighters. Even though it may allow fighters to cut a bit more, it really only stops 8-12 lbs extra, and some guys will still go for an extreme cut regardless.

I don't know people's views on harm reduction but this seems to be a good example of it being implemented correctly. It used to be viewed as more detrimental to cut weight regardless and the science of doing it and how to do it was less refined. If you took modern fighters and reinstituted same day weigh ins, the cuts would be reduced slightly in scale (fewer pounds) but the danger in the fights increased a lot because people would still be shaving off a lot more than in the 1950s, for example.
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