Pick an ultimate all time under 200 lb. eight man tournament

With a 24 hour weigh in?

 

Has that been mentioned ? I must have missed it.

 

Doesn't matter if they could make the weight, I don't think that was the intent of the TS, or why not say that. To me, unless stated otherwise, he's looking for people who did most of their better work below 200 pounds. Thus, that wouldn't include Ali, Louis or Norton.

 

Every time I tried to do this I came up with more. So, I just said, frig it! And I expanded it to 16. Sorry guys, I just couldn't help myself.

-Sam Langford
-Joe Jeanette
-Jack Dempsey
-Gene Tunney
-Max Schmeling
-Jack Sharkey
-Jimmy Bivins
-Elmer Ray
-Ezzard Charles
-Jersey Joe Walcott
-Rocky Marciano
-Archie Moore
-Floyd Patterson
-Eddie Machen
-Zora Folley
-Jerry Quarry

 

If you included all the great heavies of the past who could make 200 lb, would it make the cruiserweight division the deepest talent pool ever?

 

So wait, would this be a cruiserweight (modern day term) tournament or are you talking pound for pound tournament so including lightweights etc who are below 200 lbs?

 

Fitzsimmons was too small he doesn’t belong there

 

It would include Joe Louis. He beat Schmeling, Baer, Sharkey, Carnera, Braddock, Farr, Conn, pastor, Godoy and Galento all under or bang on 200lb.

Ali was 201 as late as 1966.

Norton? He’s not an ATG.

 

Well that’s why I believe they should drop the name cruiser and just call it heavyweight as it is in Amateur boxing.

 

Luckily for me, the thread says BELOW 200 lbs. It doesn't say, bang on 200 or below or at 200 pounds or below. It says nothing of the sort. It says BELOW 200 lbs. So if Louis weight was 200 for a fight, those fights aren't included. Hence I was spot on when I said most of his best fights were 200 or above. I think it's silly to include people who "could possibly make 200" because that is arbitrary and nobody really knows if one could if they didn't try to.

Norton not an ATG? When did I say that? I said he isn't below 200 pounds. Nothing more.

 

Saul Montana
Drake Thadzi
1991 Francois Botha
Bobby Crabtree
Bash Ali
Bobby Czyz
Ralf Rocchigiani
James Warring

am I done yet?

 

Seeds

1. Joe Louis
2. Rocky Marciano
3. Jack Dempsey
4. Evander Holyfield
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Sam Langford
7. Gene Tunney
8. Jersey Joe Walcott

 

This is a good list.

 

if a middleweight comes in at 160 he meets the requirement. In rule books All weight categories state that a fighter can meet the limit. Therefore Below 200 includes 200. But if you want to be pedantic that’s fine.

I have demonstrated that I don’t think you can exclude Louis for being 200. But if you were Louis must be included because he was still 197 for Braddock and Tommy Farr. 199 for Conn and Godoy. 198 for Schmeling, Sharkey and Baer. 197 for Tommy Farr and 196 for Primo Carnera. So what do you say about that?

most of his best wins were over Braddock, Schmeling, Conn, Carnera, Sharkey and Baer. Louis was under 200 for all of those fights.

isn’t it silly to say nobody knows a 201 man could not be 200? Really? Are you serious?

Billy Graham told me Ricky Hattons best fighting weight was 154. That was his optimum weight in the ring. It was his job To get the best out of a 154 fighter. The 24 hour weigh in meant he could comfortably make 140 and still be 154 in the ring. There is no point being 154 on the scales if you have 24 hours to play with.

 

I'm not being anything, I'm going by what the TS said i.e. BELOW 200 lbs. Not sure why you're having such a hard time with the question. You listed a whole bunch of fights early in his career before he had fully developed into the HW he would become. There is no better proof of that than Louis own words after the Conn fight, which is why I thought it was so amusing you mentioned him. Louis said "lost too much weight trying to become faster to keep up with Conn that it made him weak". You just listed him as 199 for that fight, and by Louis own words, that wasn't near his best weight. So Joe Louis doesn't think being below 200 pounds was his best weight, but I'm supposed to go by what Choklab says 70 years later? Come on man.

Now, I'm not saying he wasn't still a damn good fighter at 200 or slightly below, but he clearly didn't feel it was his best weight, and most of those fights where he was 200 or below was earlier in his career as opposed to when his body developed during the middle to later part of his reign. Next, you know how I feel about Primo, simply put, he wasn't very good. Sharkey and Max had both seen much better days than when Louis beat them. Braddock simply wasn't all that good, sorry but he wasn't. Now we're listing Godoy as a stellar win? Really?