Pick em' then debate. Golovkin vs Hopkins at their best

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Not many MWs have come along since who had the same level of insane conditioning and work rate Hopkins had in his prime.

He was an athletic freak. His style was spontaneous and hard to read. He could string together punches from one side of the ring to the other in seconds. He could lead off with an uppercut like most guys lead with a right hand.
He brought an inside game GGG never seen in his life.
The mid 30s Hopkins was a totally different entity than the 40+ version and people forget that or just don't know it.

Golovkin barely beat Jacobs who wasn't that much better than Andrew Council or Vanderpool. He struggled to mount a consistent attack and was lead around the ring all night against Jacobs - a guy he was meant to obliterate.

That fight removes GGG from the fantasy h2h discussion. Hopkins would put the same beat down on GGG that he put on Johnson. Nard devours come forward boxers with only one plan of attack.
Golovkin doesn't win a round and probably get stopped late on accumulation.
Remember Golovkin didn't want any part of Hopkins -like Andre Ward

 

why are you arguing that someone who has not fought an elite, is an elite?

 

I'm not sure what you're getting at, here.

You do realize that Hopkins was 40 years old by the time he met Taylor; 43 when he faced Calzaghe at 175?

The only guy to beat Hopkins at 160, anywhere near his prime, was Jones.

No shame in that.

As previously stated, I think Hopkins is the best Middleweight since Hagler. I don't think I can make my position any clearer than that.

I disagree. Golovkin may well make the Hall of Fame, for being the dominant powerhouse of his time. However, I do not consider him an elite Boxer.

I have no issue with those that think otherwise but, I think I've made plain why I think Hopkins has more, all-around, than Golovkin.

I cannot see the speed differential you do. What I did see was Jacobs stand and trade with Golovkin, when he didn't have to, and coming off second best in most of those exchanges. Hopkins wouldn't do that. He wouldn't need to.

If you want to interpret it that way, that's up to you. Golovkin was pushed close by a guy, who himself has little on his record in the way of tests. Hopkins is better at just about everything Jacobs does and has more to boot.

Ergo, Hopkins - Comfortable UD12.

 

I still can't understand the logic of Abel Sanchez, if he's slowing down the last thing he needs to be concentrating on is throwing single hard shots. He should be having him throw fast flurries, go and watch his early fights and the handspeed difference to today is drastic to say the least.

 

Brilliant post. Hopkins is a class above.

 

You claim Golovkin had aged at 35, but yet uses Hopkins fights at 40 and 43 to highlight his supposed vulnerabilities. You can't make an agenda much clearer than that.

 

And your stance if Golovkin was black and Hopkins white would be completely reversed, so be very careful with accusing others of some kind of bias.

I'm trying to be reasonably polite with you. But your agenda when bringing up losses Hopkins had in his 40's while putting Golovkins' difficulties with Jacob's down to age is laughably obvious, as it always is when it comes to white fighters (Jeffries, the Klits), so don't come with any drivel about others' bias. When you do I'm not going to hesitate calling your bias for what it is.

 

You've tried this nonsense before, but no way Hopkins was the same fighter in his 40's. It's just there to see.

And, yes, Golovkin comes forward but he has hardly taken any punishment. Frazier and Tyson both were in some hugely punishing fights. Golovkin hasn't, so that argument doesn't wash.

And Rigo has had more amateur fights and is older, but he still looks very good.

Golovkin might have passed his peak, hard to say, but Hopkins was definitely some way past his prime when he met Taylor, and of course further past it when he met Calzaghe. Anyone with unbiased eyes can see that.

 

Two idiots think Govokin Stops Hopkins I see

Hopkins UD. around 8-4

 

Canelo can't be used as a measuring stick for BHop. Nor Jacobs in IMO.

 

That’s a useless piece of logic and you know it. What's 168 got to do with it? The Middleweight limit is 160.

Jones defended his Middleweight World Title once. Then, he moved up in divisions, never to return to 160. Jones has no Middleweight legacy to speak of.

Yes, Jones beat Hopkins 116-112 on all cards; probably the last time Jones lost any significant number of rounds in a fight for some time. Moreover, this was Hopkins - the unfinished article.

Who do you think is positioned higher in the ATG Middleweight Ratings? Hopkins or Jones?

By similar logic, I wonder if you think either one of Ross Puritty, Corrie Sanders or Lamon Brewster is the best Heavyweight since Lewis, instead of Wlad, using your primary criterion.

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I can tell you're a Hopkins fan.

Hopkins - Comfortable UD12.

 

Golovkin by UD , he has the superior jab , footwork and power. Hopkins would last the distance because of his craftiness. GGG power would get to him.