Pick one lightheavyweight to fight Jack Johnson

You don't think that Jack rolling his fists like Popeye might stupify Foster so that he lands one of those backfoot slaps and takes the day?

 

1.Archie Moore
2.Ezzard Charles
3.Billy Conn
4.Maxie Rosenbloom

 

Actually,Joe Choynski knocked out Johnson;they were then locked up-in Texas-for participating in a mixed-race fight.Now,if the argument is that Choynski may have been well under 175 when they fought or Johnson wasn't quite at his peak yet(without double-checking,I think he really began his march to the title after this fight),I still say that Johnson was highly overrated and that a whole lot of modern lightheavy's would've beaten him pretty easily.

 

Backfoot slap? Like what Mayweather knocked Hatton out with?

As for rolling the gloves, hasn't gone out of fashion, I've seen Zab Judah do it :good

 

anyone who doesnt believe that one of the best p4p pound fighters ever could beat him is kinda crazy. jj wasnt that big and although there is talks of infighting, roy has the speed to circle jj and stay away from clinches for the most part

 

Qawi would be great over 15 but 25 and a sadistic ref? I'm thinking Spinks.

Good power, unconvential style I can see him getting the job done.

Ezzard Charles would be a good choice and so would Sam Langford.

Moore misses the cut, as does Foster.

Roy Jones may be a great wildcard in this. At LHW he has good power, unbelievable speed and his potshot style of in and out with blazing combo's would make this interesting.

 

Now name me a good fighter.

And Mayweather had Hatton KO'd long before that last punch chin to pillar blast that ol' Fatton waded into.

 

Zab Judah is a good fighter. And even if he weren't, circling with his gloves now and then didn't make or break him. It's showboating more than anything.

That's not really the point, the point is that it's entirely plausible to throw effective counter lead hooks while leaning back, because when you throw a lead hook you essentially transfer your weight onto the back leg anyway, and if they're leading they're leaning into the punch so will take the brunt of the force.

As for the "slap" well, plenty of fighters throw effective hooks with their palm facing their own face, some fighters seem to prefer it even though it's not the safest way to throw a hook. If memory serves me correctly it's how Mayweather broke his hand, although he landed a pretty nice "slap" on Hatton while leaning back.

You've stated before that you have some amateur background so I'm surprised I even have to point the aforementioned out to you.

 

At lightheavyweight his chin is Grade-A china. One good right hand crack from a genuine heavyweight power puncher and he'd be as good as dead.

Jones has good footwork but Johnson has a massive size and stature advantage and would catch him at some point.

You can't potshot Johnson, his reflexes are too good. The fighters who did best against him took the fight to him, quick slicksters with good movement like Denver Ed Martin, while distinguished, had little luck.

 

errr. as i remember it, the hook was best thrown by transferring the weight from lead to back foot with a twist of the hips.

more protean to the point, Johnson's style as I've seen it on film was woefully inadequate to deal with the cream of modern cruiser and light heavies.

 

I too think Johnson is wildly over rated at heavyweight. He was lost a drew too much to lesser fighter, had a safety first clinch and uppercut type of style, and horrible title reignhorrible title reing where he ducked 5-6 of the best fighters out there and was lucky to win two of his matches.

But we are talking about light heavies here. I suggest you check out the doc I posted titled. " The Legendary champions " . In it, you can see Johnson at his best sparring with Kid Cutler. Most have no seen it. The film is clear, and though unorthodox in technique, Johnson had no trouble making a smaller light heavyweight miss. Watch it. Part 6, at around 2:56 on you tube....and watch that counter uppercut.

 

Yes that's my point. Since the weight is being transferred to the back foot with the punch, you can lean back with the punch and it will retain its power - Obviously this is much more difficult than throwing a regular hook. You couldn't get the same power leaning back with a right hand because you have to transfer the weight to the front foot.

Well you're entitled to your opinion, but to judge him entirely on the film available is a very poor indicator of his ability. There is no film of him in his 20's. It'd be like judging Mike Tyson from just the Lennox Lewis and Botha fights. It doesn't paint 1/10th of the picture. And that's not even considering how poor the film quality was.

 

We are not far off parrallel on this one mate.

 

johnson isnt that big, a hw from yesterday standing next to a light heavy of today doesnt have much of an advantage. and although jj reflexes were good, rjjs are much better and he may just be able to do it. though i would pick johnson to win this fight i think jones jr is as good a candidate as any from the light heavy division

 

Fitzsimmons. Even though an old Fitzsimmons w/ an arm injury was blown out by Johnson.