Pick one lightheavyweight to fight Jack Johnson

"The white press had no say in who Johnson fought!" Dont be ridiculous ! Wko was responsible for the White Hope era ? Who was reasponsible for Jerries being dragged out of retirement? Black America ? Get Real!You still havent answered the question,Given that OBrien was kod by a middle weight 21 days after meeting Johnson in a no dec 6 rounder ,given that he only won 1 fight out of his remaining 9 How did he merit a title shot ? Please explain!Get back to your papers you sad bigoted fool!

 

If the white press of the period thought Johnson was avoiding a talented white contender who had a chance to beat him they would have screamed so loud the earth shook on its axis.

The fact is that the press then made poor judgment calls about who the top contenders were just as now. Without rankings there was noting to constrain the more wooly judgment calls.

 

I addressed the point. O'Brien deserved a re-match and there should have been talk of one the day after he fought Johnson. I also said that Ketchel destroying the same O’Brien that made the Johnson look foolish makes Johnson look bad. DUH. Also, care to comment on why Jim Johnson never got a re-match????



I will stand by my statement. Johnson picked who he fought, not the press.
Now I see you are trying to diminish the papers. Fine, then never use them as a source...even though we know you will when it suits your agenda. And to heck with you. You have no grounds to call anyone a sad bigoted fool. How dare you. I will turn the other cheek on that comment for now because this is a clean forum.

Now, can you respond correctly to this post?

>>>It does not sound like O'brien looked bad at all. He didn't have a punch or a chin, yet look what he did! Where is Johnson's vaunted defense vs a skilled boxer? Please explain? The re-match should have ordered been ASAP. Ketchell defeating an old O'brien means nothing, except makes Johnson look that much worse. And Ketchell flooring Johnson does not make Johsnon look good either. Outboxed by one middle, and floored by another.

The white press had no say who Johnson fought. We know that McCarty, and Gunboat Smith ( Who TKOd Johnson in a sparring match ) were better heavies than O’Brien. We know that Langford, McVey, and Jeanette were also better heavies that O’Brien.

The white hope stuff is miss-understood. The white fighters that got shots were old, or hacks, not skilled. The best two white fighters never got a title match ( McCarty, and Smith ) , and O'Brien who was also white looked to edge Johnson in a six rounder never got a re-match. Geez.

The championship title fights was all Johnson's call in those days. There was no commission-forcing mandatory’s. We have been over this before, just like we have been over Johnson had 30-50K offers to face McVey, Jeanette, and Langford, but balked. For shame. No, re-match with Jim Johnson either and he deserved to win that title fight. A robbery.

We have been over all of the above before. You are romped, and do not view things objectively on Johnson. Don’t call me sad, I have the papers to back up what I saying. The truth is good enough, and that truth says Johnson was suspect far more than you’ll ever allow yourself to believe.

If you want to go over the news reads, and try to re-write history, let me know. I have them, and rest assured I had no say in writing any of them.

 

Why is it you and every body else can see the obvious but not Mendoza,I try to be civil with him ,but his blind bias gets up my nose ?How in hell did OBrien who was washed up deserve a title fight? afterbeing kod by a middleweight 21 days after that abysmal track meet performance he put on?

 

Look I told you my thoughts on the Jim Johnson fight,it was only a couple of posts ago ,I cant be fairer than that.OBrien was ,WASHED UP , DONE ,FINISHED OVER THE HILL, ,And to my mind he wasnt much when he was Champ, a Champ who never defended his crown, was kod twice by the Champion in the weight below him, a light hitting runner.

 

I addressed the point. Once again based on how the six round went down I think there should have been talk of a re-match by Johnson to clear his good name ASAP, and O'brein should have fought Johnson next, not Ketchel.

I also said that Ketchel destroying the same O’Brien that made the Johnson look foolish does not make Johnson look good. The reverse is true. Ask the forum on the 2nd point, they will agree with me.

Also, care to comment on why Jim Johnson never got a re-match? Why did we never seen one? I'm all ears.

 

*Ive said Johnson looked **** against OBrien havent I? As if he cared,he was in no danger so what the hell. I,m no trying to make JOHNSON LOOK GOOD ,he didnt.,and OBrien looked worse,you wont answer my question so why bother.on McCarty McCarty won the White Championship in a match withAl Palzer ,this was in 1913 Johnson fled the country that year ,and MCCarty was dead within a couple of months ,so how could Johnson fight him?I f you think your case is good put it to a debate ,if you care enough,your posts against mine.OK?ASK THE FORUM.

 

ON GunBoat Smith ,Smith was Johnsons sparring partner during his training for the Ketchel fight ,he wasnt thought of as a serious challenger for Johnson till later ,and by then Johnson was an exile,did he deserve a chance ? Very probably,did Jim Johnson deserve a rematch ? Yes,if the fight with Johnson was for more than 10rds should Jim Johnson have won the title Yes! All this has niothing to mdo with the fact that an out of shape Johnsonloafed through a six round ,no decision ,non event with an over the hill O Brien who ran away all night.END OF STORY.

 

You were not civil at all. The vicious attack in this thread proves that. If O’Brien was washed up and old, why did Johnson give him a match in the first place? This was Johnson's first title defense. Maybe Johnson thought it would be easy is the likely answer. It was not. O’Brien made the champion look bad. Read the report. If you think this excuses O’brien, then you have to admit it Ketchel performance over shadows Johnson’s.
Johnson could make any fight outside the USA, or in the USA prior to leaving. And this includes matches with Langford, McVey, and Jeaentte, who he flat out ducked and said no thanks despite substantial offers on the table.

Also, why did Gunboat Smith not get a shot?. He beat Willard and Moran before Johnson gave them title shots? Why did Willard and Moran get title shots, but Smith who beat them both, and Langford!

Duckage, thy name is Johnson.

 

Why did Johnson meet OBrien ?$5000 gauranteed simple really.It was a SIX ROUND NO DECISION BOUT JOHNSON COULD ONLY LOSE THE TITLE IF HE WAS KOD .GET IT ? It wasnt a regular title defence ,as has been pointed out to you byJanitor.You must love egg on your face!What do your friends call you ommelette? I f you think you have a case PUT IT TO THE FORUM! YOUR CALL!

 

I am willing to believe that Johnson ducked Sam Langford.

I might even stretch a point and suggest that he ducked Joe Jeanette.

I do not believe for one second that he ducked Gunboat Smith, Luther McCarthy or Jack O'Brien.

A boxrec hunter looking back in 100 years time could make a prety convincing case that Lennox Lewis duckd Chris Byrd and John Ruiz. He droped belts rather than fight them. They beat the guys he fought.

What did Michael Grant do to deserve a title shot?

Why didnt he fight Riddick Bowe?

The reality on the ground on the day is often verry diferent.

 

Janitor,

Johnson had big time money offers to fight McVey, Jeanette, and Langford, backed by promoters. I have the news clips. This is not box rec hunting at all. Its an examination of the times. Johnson thought about the offers and declined. He ducked them and picked easier marks. Case closed. If you wish, I have the newspaper clippings. I have posted them here before. Unlike McVey, your are reasonable on this topic.

Gunboat Smith defiantly deserved a title shot over Moran and Willard. Indeed, he beat them before Johnson gave them title shots. Smith of course KO'd Johnson in a sparring event. I suppose Johnson made the right choice picking Flynn and Moran over him, and I still say Jack Johnson was lucky to escape with a draw vs Jim Johnson.

 

SMith never kod Johnson ,and you damn well know it ,you know it because I gave you the taped interview with Smith on this very forum it is n Pete Hellers book" IN THIS CORNER" What happened was Smith boxed with Ketchel in the afternoon,then went over to the Seal Rock House where Johnson was training and at 4 pm he sparred with Johnson "I hit Johnson on the chin and knocked him through the ropes".NO KNOCKOUT!.Smith on the Ketchel Johnson fight."It was no contest,Johnson would pick him up and set him down anywhere he wanted ,then slap him down. Then they pulled a fake knockdown"THis is from a taped interview in 1970.Stop telling untruths to feed your ridiculous hatred of Johnson. You havent even the excuse you werent aware of these facts as I posted them before when you were discredited on your objectivity.I could call them something else than untruths ,and you know what that is dont you?

 

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