Pick smaller fighter against Mike Tyson

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  1. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Way. Tyson KOs Louis.:ggg

    And you base that on what evidence ?!?
    Plus Tyson rarely tried to outmuscle opponents, it wasn't his style. Usually, they were the ones trying to tie him up cause they were scared shitless whenever he was in punching distance.

    Louis was more conventional, Tyson used a Peek a Boo, so it's hard to say who was technically better.

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    Tyson is in the top 3 fastest HWs of all time, along with Ali and Patterson. :ggg
     
  2. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I base it on the fact that Johnson made his career on clinching and mauling fighters who had much better experience in clinching. He manhandled 230 lbs Jeffries who was also top tier wrestler. Tyson can't fight inside.
    It's true and that's why Tyson was relatively easy to tie up inside. He didn't try to do damage in clinches or inside, Johnson would try to force him to do things he didn't like.
    It's true, that's why I don't agree that Tyson was better techincally. They used different styles and both were excellent in that. For what it's worth, Louis was more versatile fighter but it doesn't necessary mean that he had better technique.
    In terms of handspeed, Louis is comparably fast to Tyson.
     
  3. CharlesBurley

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    No if I wanted to pick Tysons heaviest weight I'd pick him at 235. Tyson was generally around 218 for his prime but he was heavier in his prime, against Berbick and Tucker

    You're either wrong or telling lies Louis was circling around with a few pounds of 200lbs up until 1941, when he was drafted for World War 2. I don't consider Louis peak during the WW2 years or after.

    Like I say Godoy is the nearest thing Louis faced resembling Tyson with his crouch, hooks and overhands. Tyson is leagues above Godoy though in terms of the bob and weave, head movement, speed, power and combinations

    So you're plan for Johnson is for him to clinch the whole fight long and hope the ref never seperates them?
     
  4. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Exactly!!! Tyson was just way too advanced for these two. Honestly this should be very obvious
     
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  5. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    The only other small fighter I would give a chance to beat Tyson was Tua during his lighter years. Even then I think tua is too slow for Tyson, but If tua comes in with a war mentality I think he might beat Tyson since I personally don’t think mike was mentally strong enough to handle a war with tua
     
  6. George Crowcroft

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    Tyson vs Louis is a real good match-up. Either guy can win that one.

    Tyson is exactly what Louis didn't like, self admittedly. Tyson's best asset in his prime wasn't a singular thing, it was how he used everything in conjunction with one another. His little shifts to make space, combined with the ducking and rolling on the way in meant he was absolutely outstanding at creating openings in bigger guys. Louis would not like this kinda thing. Louis didn't fight anyone like Tyson in real life, very few did. I think the early onslaught is too much for Louis, who gets taken out before six. The blitz of speed, power and technical prowess is too much for him IMO.

    There are ways for Louis to beat Tyson, though. If he timed him with combinations on the way in, he could make him double take like Douglas did. And then Louis would know to use his uppercuts when Tyson came in, and possibly fight like he did vs M. Baer, on his toes. Louis always made every necessary adaptation in the rematch. I tend to think he'd know that he needed to survive Tyson early by either spoiling or keeping him honest. After that he'd know to time Tyson's head movement, fire that straight right through the peak-a-boo, work the uppercut and not give Tyson many opportunities.

    Tyson was more predictable than Joe too, although both were pretty cookie-cutter in their approach. I'd say they were as skilled as eachother, but in different ways. Louis was certainly much smarter.

    So yeah, I favour Tyson in 4/5 in the first fight, and Louis late TKO in the rematch.
     
  7. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson's average weight from Berbick to Williams is 218 lbs.
    Louis average weight from Sharkey to Davis is 202 lbs.

    That'a only 16 lbs difference and Louis usually came in heavier against heavy opponents.
    Have you seen the fight? Godoy clinched every time they were close and he crouched so low that his head was on hips level. That's not how Tyson fought. Saying that they both used crouch and were pressure fighters is way too simplistic.

    As I said, if you like comparisons then Holyfield was the closest to Louis that Tyson fought and it didn't end up well for him.
    No, because Johnson knew how to attack from clinches better than anyone. With 1910s refs, I don't think it would be a pretty fight for Tyson.
     
  8. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Very reasonable prediction, although I still think that Louis would beat Tyson in first fight.
     
  9. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nobody is too advanced for Louis.
     
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  10. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was going by weight. And you Tyson nuthuggers are full of ****. Tyson never had the cajones to face a lineup like that. Best to stick to old, fat, used-up Larry Holmes era rejects and old ladies in elevators. Rapo loses to all the guys I said.
     
  11. Johnny_B

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    Tyson beats Louis any day of the week.
    Louis struggled against Conn, he'd be totally helpless against Tyson.
     
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  12. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Yes they are.
     
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  13. Johnny_B

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    That old fat Holmes beats 90% of the guys you mentioned, nevermind Tyson.
    Tyson kills them.
     
  14. 70sFan865

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    Tyson lost to Douglas, he'd be helpless against Louis.
     
  15. 70sFan865

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    What makes Tyson more advanced than Louis exactly?