Pick someone to beat GOAT candidates

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  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Active Member Full Member

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    Pick someone to beat these GOAT candidates:

    Bob Fitzsimmons
    Joe Gans
    Sam Langford
    Harry Greb
    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Henry Armstrong
    Joe Louis
    Ezzard Charles
    Muhammad Ali
    Roberto Duran

    Criteria:

    1. GOAT candidates are at their peaks.
    2. An opponent have to fight within the same weight division.
    3. An opponent have to fight at most 40 years after GOAT candidate. So no 1910s vs 2010s comparisons.
     
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  2. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster Idealism must not be staunched by safety Full Member

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    Fitzsimmons: Dempsey
    Gans (I assume you meant Joe Gans): Benny Leonard
    Langford: Jeffries
    Greb: noone at MW, Charles at LHW
    Robinson: noone at WW, Greb at MW
    Armstrong: noone at FW and LW, Robinson at WW
    Joe Louis: Muhammad Ali
    Ezzard Charles: Noone at LHW, Ali at HW
    Muhammad Ali: Rocky Marciano
    Roberto Duran: Robinson at WW and MW, Armstrong at LW
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cincinnati Cobra Full Member

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    With in 40 years of his win over Zender (only real instance I can easily find of him at Middleweight), probably no one. I'd favour Freddie Steele over Bob (controversial I imagine) but they didn't fight at the same weight with in 40 years.
    At Light Heavyweight I'd favour Tunney and Loughran
    If we scrap the 40 year rule for a second I think that Ezzard Charles beats him badly, Bob Foster would KO him brutally as well imo. And at Middleweight I'd pick Monzon and Hagler to beat Fits
    Benny Leonard
    At MW, Greb
    At LHW, Ezzard Charles (1947)
    At HW, Dempsey, Louis, Baer
    Bob Fitzsimmons
    No one at WW
    Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon at MW
    Benny Leonard at LW
    SRR at WW
    Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali, Sonny Liston, George Foreman
    No one at LHW, plenty at HW
    Wladimir Klitschko, Lennox Lewis, Joe Frazier
    Pernell Whitaker
     
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  4. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti The Ad Wolgast of Googling Stuff Full Member

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    The Dempsey fight was at 154, the Creedon fight was at 158. I don't know much about the Zender fight, but I'd imagine he didn't really weigh in.

    He had more in Aus, but he wasn't at his best then. Apparently the purses in Aus were terrible, despite the good competition. Starlight claimed (though even he said his memory was hazy), that when Fitz lost to Hall, he'd spent the day of the fight working as a blacksmith and Hall was drunk. Though that particular fight may have been fix anyway, with not a lot of money fixes were pretty rife in Aus.

    I actually think Fitz had to fight under pretty unfair conditions for the first Dempsey fight. He had to.make 154 on the day in his fighting clothes, and had to do a workout the morning of the fight to make weight, weighing himself at 155 in the morning.
     
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    Tonto62 Well-Known Member Full Member

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  6. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fitz= Johnson & Dempsey
    Gans=Leonard
    Langford=Tunney
    Greb=Robinson
    Robinson=Monzon
    Armstrong =Duran& Williams at L. Leonard at W
    Louis = Ali & Dempsey
    Charles=Tunney
    Ali=Lewis
    Duran-Williams

    All Maybe!
     
  7. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bob Fitzsimmons - A good number of people, but I'll pick Johnson
    Joe Gans - Benny L
    Sam Langford - At what weight? AT HW, plenty of fighters. At a lower weight... say middle Greb
    Harry Greb - SRR
    Sugar Ray Robinson -
    Henry Armstrong - Duran
    Joe Louis - Ali is the obvious choice, but I'd also favor Foreman and Lewis
    Ezzard Charles - at HW I'd favor plenty. At LHW Spinks, maybe Foster
    Muhammad Ali - See SRR.... Blank
    Roberto Duran - Whitaker
     
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  8. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No ideas at all on Ali, Armstrong, or Robinson.

    Louis would have been decisioned by 60s Ali, Holmes might have done that too (though he might have got knocked down at some point). I'm a little doubtful on the Larry, because Louis had a punishing right hand and he was at times a terrifiying finisher. That's it for Joe.
     
  9. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Active Member Full Member

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    I see a lot of people picking HWs over Fitz. Does it mean that he's too good to be beaten by MWs or LHWs?
     
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