Pick the worst 40-0 record .

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  1. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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  2. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I agree that this guy is overrated like **** but the first 40-0 of Chávez was worse by a country mile. Of course overall chavez had much better career but we are talking about the 40-0
     
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  3. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You left out that he beat the seasoned Adrian Arreola in his previous fight.

    He also fought several guys who had over 40 fights (and winning records) on his road to 40-0.

    Then, three fights after reaching 40-0, he won a World Title.

    Yes, there are a good portion of "Mexican Taxi Driver" types in JC Chavez's early record - and even in non-title fights later on - but keeping so busy kept him sharp. It worked for him.

    I like that you included a link to information that could be used to refute your argument.

    Nice attempt at cherry picking, though.

    BTW: Chavez was a GREAT champion, not a "great" champion.

    The guy proved himself to be an ATG.

    That you put quotations around great gives one the inkling you probably do not like the guy if the fact you chose to make this thread didn't already indicate it.
     
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  4. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LOL

    Awesome post.

    Case closed. End thread

    BTW: He was 21, not 20. But, I see your point. And it is a good one.
     
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  5. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    By your logic he should have gone for the title in his pro debut. Nice "logic." Who do you think this guy was, Pete Rademacher?

    When Chavez was getting started n the pro game, Mexicans by and large turned pro early and had a lot of fights while they learned on the job. Chavez was no exception.

    They didn't take the Davey Moore or Leon Spinks route to short term success, but long term failure.
     
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  6. HerolGee

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    well i did exagerrate, fair point.
     
  7. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    BUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMM SQQQUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDD!!!!!!
     
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    Brian Neilson
    Joe Calzaghe
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  9. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Julio Cesar Chavez's unbeaten run is a lie anyway, as noted of boxrec he had a dq loss, but strings were pulled to change it to a win.
     
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  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lamar Clark 42-0
    Don Steele 41-0 1 no contest

    A whole lot of fighters there without a pulse.
     
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  11. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    40-0 Danish pastry Nielsen would go life and death with Bum Squad, no?
     
  12. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Lowry was a boogeyman defensive spoiler that nobody liked to fight.
    Mayweather said that Augustus was his toughest opponent. Augustus doesn't have a much better record.
     
  13. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    What the hell are you talking about? What cherry picking ? I showed to you his record and it was what it was... No more no less. He fought pure garbage in his first 30-0 and his 40-0 was still horrible for an "all time great". If you got mad because you can't deal with a RREAL critique of a fighter that you love it is not my problem but it will not make this review false
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    The wild thing is, the guy JC fought just before the debutante in his 41st bout was actually his first notable step up in class. He fought Adriano Arreola for #40, and not only did Arreola sport a better looking record quantitatively than all 35 of his predecessors (in 39 contests; JC rematched Andres Felix, Jesus Cuate Lara, Benjamin Abarca & Jerry Lewis in that span) he also was of simply much higher quality stock: in the year before he fought Chávez, the Angeleno had dealt both future lightweight champ Juan Nazario and 13-0 L.A. prospect Mark Davis their first pro defeats - and then 1½ years after he fought Chávez, he would score a career-best victory knocking out Lupe Pintor.

    Minor nit to pick but still an important distinction; you can't evaluate the 40-0 closely and with a shred of intellectual honesty claim it was an indistinguishable blur of no-marks. You can say that of the first 39, but you have to put Arreola in a class above them.

    But then, yes, immediately after notching his first serious win he goes and picks on poor Armando Flores, with a forty to zero bout disparity in experience. :lol: Kind of ridiculous.
     
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  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    **** never mind, I kept meaning to come in here and post that since last night but I see that Saad54 already beat me to it. :lol: