Pick the worst 40-0 record .

I agree

The first thing I pointed out in my first post above was that Combat neglected to mention that Chavez had fought the seasoned Arreola right during his 40-0 career start.

Obviously, Chavez's march to 40 -0 (if you discount the LDQ that was removed) does not have the worst overall Quality of Opposition of all time.

 

No worries.

 

That's another salient point, the reaching of that mark in the first place is subject to a favorable interpretation. One could argue that he technically only achieved 11-0 for an undefeated high water mark, but for a very shady retroactive alteration of the result.

So by that view he was 38-1 as of his first step up, versus Arreola.

 

You cherry picked the worst example - fighting someone in their debut while totally glossing over that he fought a highly respected opponent immediately beforehand - in his 40th fight. Now you are moving the goalposts. You probably didn't even know who Adrian Arreola was.

 

p4p the greatest fighter by that surname of the last 40 years.*

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Did pretty well, actually, standing up to (and even occasionally inflicting some obvious pain upon) a just-blossoming-into-prime Leyenda.



*Eat your heart out, Cristobal. (er, see you've already begun the job, very good, carry on)

 

^ At roughly the eight-minute point, JC had a pretty bad scare, were he not careful his record would've been 38-2 (with a KO2 loss) when they hit the showers..

 

Well I remember Don "the man of Steel" Steele was something like 43-1. Then he got into the ring with Ray Mercer and his punches had the effect of shooting a bb gun against an M1 Abrams Tank, before Mercer knocked him out of the ring.

 

Every fighter is different. You can't make a blanket statement that every 30-0 guy is the same.

Anyway, he had just come off a tough dec. win over Arreola and did, in fact, win the WBC Super Featherweight title just three fights later.l

If you're so worried about inflated records why not pick one of the mid-west barnstormers who never made it out of the circuit - why focus on an ATG?

Another point worth making is that record keeping in Mexico was very shady at times, and guys sometimes fought under aliases.

When box rec lists a guy as making his debut, it could be a case of not having any records on that fighter. He could have fought under different names and/or had fights that didn't make it on to boxrec.

I am not saying that is for certain in the case of Chavez fighting a debutant when he was 40-0, but it is a possibility.

 

Nah, he had his basic style and punches down and he perfected it against 40 punching bags, it worked in his case if not others.

 

Erik Esch was 66-1-2 before his second loss. A fine record.
Sean O'Grady was 73-1 before his loss to the headbutting Jim Watt. The second fight after Watt was a victory over Hilmer Kenty which was a good win against a genuine opponent.

 

Wilder is really not that great for 40-0. A very inexperienced fighter. And then Evander at 40 fights was experienced and then some.

 

Maybe when just taking into the account the numerical value of their records sure, but when viewed in a proper context..... Chavez reached 40-0 in just a couple of years(his development stage) Wilder took almost a decade to reach 40-0 and in the span that Chavez reached that mark Wilder had less than half as many fights and had faced WAY worse opposition. I honestly don't get the point of this thread. Why point out a poor 40-0 run that was a fighters developmental period and in a relatively short amount of time as far as their career was concerned? Obviously it's not going to stack up to a 40-0 run of a fighter who was paced differently and had already won world titles.