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  1. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    ... Serious question. WHY ARE YOU STILL TALKING ON THIS THREAD
     
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  2. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    :lol: At this point in time. Rocky's going down. He's going down hard.
     
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  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Because I can do as I damn well please. Now fvck off.
     
  4. SerbianLoudmouth

    SerbianLoudmouth Overhand right-Suzie Q Full Member

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    Again I will prove you wrong!How old was Satterfield in Williams fight because he only had losses before that fight and after Williams fight he did not have any notable win against good opponent!And he was 178lbs man!You pull Williams who was peak 20 years old man beaten by old man LHW 178lbs proves that you are very stupid!
    50 Wins (35 knockouts, 15 decisions), 25 Losses (13 knockouts, 12 decisions), 4 Draws with weak chin and stamina could take Williams punches means that Williams was not good puncher!

    Joe Louis, knocked out by Rocky in the 8th round, said of Marciano, "It hurt to bump into him....He hits harder than Max Schmeling...this kid is tough enough to beat anyone."
    He also said, "The Rock didn't know too much about the boxing book, but it wasn't a book he hit me with. It was a whole library of bone crushers."
    Joe Louis, to Wendell Smith of the Pittsburgh Courier:"He's a good fighter. Better than most people realize. He's strong and young and hard to hit."
    So again you make yourself pretty dumb!
     
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    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Totally agree. That is about the size of it.

    The fundamental fact is Williams was a 33-1 heavily backed prospect being lined up as a future champion when Lou Viscusi, his influential manager, took the Satterfeild fight. Williams had a huge size advantage and was fresh off a decent win 14 days earlier and had been doing plenty of road work since And was 100% in the best of shape to fight. Because Charles had landed himself a title shot against Marciano through knocking out Satterfeild the hope was Williams could be promised a Miami title fight with Marciano that winter if he won.

    Oh come on. Bob Satterfeild was knocked spark out 10 times before he fought Williams ..and mostly early on in the fight. Satterfeild was a natural light heavyweight so much smaller than Williams. Physically it looked a massive mismatch in favour of Williams. Rex Layne was of similar experience to Williams when he knocked out Satterfeild. wes bascome had only had 11 fights when he knocked bob out . Sam Bauradi was coming up from middleweight when he knocked Satterfeild out. Going into his fight with Williams Satterfeild was 1-2 in his last 3 fights!

    listen, the only other “blot on his record” avoids the fact that The 12 fights Williams had between being knocked out by Liston and Losing to Terrell one fight was the draw with Machen, One guy was a 13 fight novice and 3 were coming directly off a loss. Of the remaining 8 only Terrell of their first fight had won more than two in a row from their last 6 fights.

    After this point Williams was famously gunned down by a policeman before he again miraculously returned to the ring.

    Although his supporters claim it is unfair to judge Williams after this point cleveland actually fought a better class of men from this point on. I do not believe Wilwas ever good enough to beat anybody he lost to after the shooting since Williams was quite consistent up to that level... which was proven with his wins over Terry Daniels and Ted Gullick right at the end of his career which are as good As any of his actual wins before he took a bullet.
     
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  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Lets take this slow for you.
    Satterfield fought 20 years old Williams , a two day late replacement on 22nd of June 1954.
    Satterfield was born on the 9th of November 1923.This means Satterfield was 30 years old when he beat Williams.
    Still with me?
    At that time Satterfield was the number nine contender.
    Twenty one days after stopping Williams Satterfield kod John Holman in 3 rds.
    Seven months after stopping William's Satterfield Ko'd Holman , now the rated number four contender in one round.Got that?
    On the 17th of August 1955 , nearly two years after koing Williams, Satterfield Beat the number one contender Nino Valdes.Satterfield was the number eight ranked contender at the end of 1955
    On the 20th of July 1956 Satterfield beat Johnny Summerlin the number seventh ranked contender.
    On the back of this win Satterfield went up to the number 6th ranked contender
    at the end of 1956.
    Still with me?
    So from June1954 until December 1956 Satterfield went from being the number nine contender to being the number six contender two and a half years after he beat Williams when you said Satterfield was washed up and never beat anyone after. In fact he beat 3 top ten ranked contenders after beating Williams and one of them, Valdes was the number one contender.He also climbed up the ratings by 3 places,from 9th to 6th.
    Will you now accept you were completely wrong about Satterfield being washed up?
    Will you also further accept that you don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about?

    Louis did not say Marciano hit harder than Schmeling that's another load of BS,he said the following .
    "This kid knocked me out with what 3 ,4 punches Schmeling needed a whole bunch of them,course I was younger then,you can take more when you are younger."
    Personally I think Marciano did hit harder than Schmeling.
    FYI Louis said the hardest he was ever hit was by Al Delaney.
    There was absolutely no need for your personal insults,I hope ,if you stay here you might learn some politeness,certainly your knowledge of boxing is extremely tenuous.
     
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  9. mcvey

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    Satterfield was ranked number 9 when he beat the 20years old 2day substitute Williams.Twenty one days later he kod John Holman in3 rds and repeated it a few months later over the now 4th ranked Holman don't imply Satterfield was on the slide he wasnt!Two and a half years after beating Williams, Satterfield was ranked number 6!
    A year after beating Williams Satterfield beat the number one contender Nino Valdes !
     
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  10. SolomonDeedes

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    I'm going to assume you actually do understand the difference between training for a fight in the gym and going jogging.

    This is not true, there was absolutely no expectation that Williams would get a title shot by beating Satterfield. He was a long way from reaching that stage.

    The fact that Satterfield was notoriously vulnerable doesn't change the fact that he was also notoriously dangerous. He lost a lot of fights, he also scored world-class wins against the likes of Nino Valdes, Bob Baker and Harold Johnson.

    Why you would think those 12 bouts or that 2-year section of Williams' career are particularly significant I've no idea.

    The suggestion that Ted Gullick was as good as the ranked contenders Williams beat in his prime is almost but not quite as silly as the idea that he was still in his prime in his late 30s despite his injuries.
     
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  11. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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  12. mcvey

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    He's probably busy thinking up some more unwarranted personal insults.
     
  13. SerbianLoudmouth

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    Bob "Bombardier" Satterfield (November 9, 1923 in St. Louis, MO – June 1, 1977) was a heavyweight boxer who fought from 1945–1957. Satterfield, who never fought for the title, retired with a record of 50 wins (35 KOs), 25 losses and 4 draws
    At the time Bob fought Satterfield he was 31 years old and 34–16–2!Peak????I do not think so!
    Did Satterfield beat some HOF after Williams fight?No!
    His peka was betwen 1945-1952!
    He did beat Nino but he was knocked by the same man who first defeat Liston!Marty Marshall!
    Nino beat Charles who knocked Satterfield!
    Again you make yourself dumb!
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    A fighter who has been through one camp, and is fighting all year round because he is fighting between every two and four weeks is not going to be doing much sparring. Especially not open sparring. Are you familiar with boxing? Tournament boxers keep busy all year round. Training three days a week and running. Journeymen pros do too. I guarantee Mike Tyson could have ticked over with a few runs and not much sparring within his two fights a month schedule.

    Get a load of this then:

    https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=MkRCSU1TY1dfWFJSMWhVRUc4dTBWNWN5dzF2SXBB


    list the ranked fighters Williams beat in his prime. I guarantee they are no better than Ted Gullick and Terry Daniels.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Gullick ever a ranked heavyweight?