Hey now, Haye has done next to nothing as a heavyweight. Until Haye wins a few matches, its premature to put him on top. I tend to think the best five heavies today all beat Haye. As for Thomas, I think he is good enough to be a top 5 fighter today. I could see him as one of the champions. Thomas had an average right hand, and did not seem to fight smart. He was also inconsistent.
thomas would clean out the division today pretty easily, with the possible exception of wlad. thomas beat witherspoon much worse than holmes did, and holmes avoided thomas like a plague in 84-85 because thomas would have beaten holmes pretty clearly by that time. its a shame thomas never got the shot, holmes would have lost.
It seems like anyone who lets 20 or more years pass on his underwhelming career gets a great appraisal on this board. It's getting predictable and boring.
Thomas was very good, but no matter what the era, his demons would always stop him getting to the very top IMO.
Peak Pinky would be one of the very best around, top 3 for sure. Perhaps only Wlad is better from the current crop. Why the mention of Haye? if or when he does anything at HW then we'll talk.
Think how good he could've been if he hadn't been wrecking his system with coke and blow. He looked and moved like an old man way before his time.
I see your point but Haye has beaten numerous elite 200 pound fighters who enter the ring above that weight. Those fighters aren't much smaller than the best of the 80s, with exceptions of course.
true but the cruiser limit back then was 190. haye in all respects would be fighting heavywieghts, true small heavy's but still top contenders. most cruisers arnt even crsuierswieghts. most are guys with 10 pounds to lose before fights. some kill themselves to make wieght. im sure most cruisers would have a good shot at heavywieght glory...just no point having a wieght disadvantage.
yup. and who ever pointed out that Pinky looked old before his time, they are right on, too. I remember seeing him on tv in the late 80's and he looked 50.
The thing is, he was the kind of fighter who wasn't consistent for too long. At his best, his power + chin make him very hard for Haye to overcome... hard to judge Haye now, but until then i'd pick a peak Thomas over him. I think he'd beat Peter, Chagaev would be a close one.. Povetkin i think would beat Thomas and Wlad probably beats him as well, bad stylistic matchup for Pinkie who got lazy with the jab too often. For instance, during the Weaver fight. A lot would depend on how focused he would be on his career, but he'd beat many and at least give a good account of himself in losing fashion until he's truely finished, like he was against Holyfield.
Pinklon Thomas was the number 1 fighter in the world for a while (1984-'86). I thought his win over Witherspoon was CLEAR CUT and the judge who scored it a draw was either blind or crooked. Thomas burned out quick, he declined from '86 onwards, and rapidly. He's a good candidate for the third-best heavyweight of the 80s, behind Tyson and Holmes. There's nothing wrong with recognizing his achievements.