Pipino Cuevas Vs. Maurice Hope or Ayub Kalule

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  1. janwalshs

    janwalshs Active Member Full Member

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    I'm talking the pre-Hearns Cuevas for this fight and both Jr. middle champs would be at their primes. I always link Hope and Kalule together as jr. middleweights due to some similarities. Both are European based southpaws. Both solid boxers. Both fair to decent punchers although not really KO artists.

    Could Cuevas overcome a slight weight disadvantage to hurt or stop either of these fighters? Could he hold up against their punches? Were both too stylish for Cuevas?

    This is a tough call for me. As champ, Cuevas did KO 2 southpaws, Backus and Volbrecht, although Backus was past prime and Volbrecht gave the champion some trouble before 1 big left hook KO'd him.

    I would guess both Hope and Kalule may be a little too slick and would box safely to decision wins. Anybody else have an opinion?
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I second your opinion.
     
  3. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For a Welter, with a very upright methodical straight-line approach, two versatile Mobile Lt -Middles like Hope and Kalule would be favoured to be a step or two, too far...their Size and indeed Style is all wrong for Pipino, he will be vunerable to Ayub's combinations....and Hope when he had established his rhythmic approach was hard to knock out of his groove, and having gained possession of long range and the middle No mans Land, Hope would plant himself for the heavier shots, aggressive tough guys Mattioli and Antefermo failed to hear the final bell against Hope, Hope like Ayub was not a "walk Through" opponent, At Welter Pipino has chances with most through his punching power, with the Lt Middles too many other factors combine to derail him..
     
  4. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    True, hope was very good vs the less technical come forward sluggers and swarmers.He'd probably end up giving Cuevas a beating\stoppage while on the slow backfoot retreat.Kalule similar, only he'd not stop Cuevas, but just tuck up against the wild hooks with his high guard and angles and counter him to bits.
     
  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Kalule too big and strong for a true welter Pipino, but I think Hope was more vulnerable. He's ahead at the time Cuevas lands the left hook and swarms him for a stoppage somewhere around the 10th to 12th.
     
  6. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pipino murders them both. Just far too much firepower.
     
  7. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    these are hard fights to figure just because Cuevas did not fight great at 154. I think he would beat Hope easily and edge Kalule.
     
  8. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't know if he has the skill to beat those two or not.
    The point I'd like to make though is I don't think Cuevas gets anywhere near the press he deserves for his god-like punching power. That little ******* broke opponents bones when he landed. He should be in everyones top 10 hardest punchers of all time.
     
  9. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    losing to Hearns in 2 rounds really hurt the Cuevas legacy, and he never recovered.
     
  10. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cuevas was amazing and strange at the same time. Before the championship he a journeyman type of record(15-6, yuck!). After the championship a .500 fighter.
    Then those 12 fights as champion as he left broken bodies and broken dreams he was unstoppable. Then he fought Hearns and well, unconciousness and .500 record afterwards on the road to palookaville.
     
  11. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    He obviously fought well when he had momentum on his side. Had he been able to beat Duran in 1983 I think he might have kept on going, but he really was not built for 154 pounds. I still think he was great regardless of Hearns. Tommy Hearns knocked out many guys. I would have loved to see Leonard vs. Cuevas. I still think it would have been tough for Ray, but Ray would have won had he fought the right fight.
     
  12. Woller

    Woller Active Member Full Member

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    Kalule was way too strong for Cuevas and would force him back snapping that right hand jab into his face again and again.
    No sure about Hope, he could run into a wild left hook.

    Woller
     
  13. duranimal

    duranimal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is a def:deal

    Maurice was a solid operator, was giving Benitez a horrible night until that cut woke him up.