Pipino vs Pernell

How better of a hitter and boxer do you think Pipino was than Felix Trinidad Red? Because Tito couldn't even stop a shell of Pernell Whitaker.

 

And the best fighters he broke down? How good were they?

 

Angel Espada, Harold Weston, Clyde Gray, Pete Ranzany and Randy Shields were outstanding challenges. Far better than Whitaker's resume at 147. Not to denigrate Whitaker as a fighter, an outstanding lightweight, but I never thought much of him at welter. Most of his welterweight challenges were blown up Jr. welters having their 1st fight at welter (Rodriguez, DeLaHoya, Hurtado, Chavez). Only Cardona, Jacobs, Rivera and McGirt had any time at 147 and he barely got past Rivera twice. Pipino was a bone breaker in his prime and Whitaker could get as cute as he wants with him by throwing an angle here and there. That tactic made alot of fighters hesitate. But that wouldn't have mattered to Cuevas, he would be just as happy hitting you on the hip as the jaw. There would be no hesitancy. I agree with Rooster, his power was freaky and could not see Whitaker going 15. This is not the weight class I ever envision Whitaker.

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Whitaker wide wide UD, it doesn't matter how hard a hitter you are if you can't land

 

I love Pipino, but he telegraphed his punches. I don't know how in hell you see him winning against Pernell.

 

What did you think of Tito scar? Why was a post-rehab Whitaker able to go the distance with him, after sustaining a broken jaw and taking 300 hits? It wasn't as if Tito wasn't knocking the **** out of everyone at the time either.

So why would the less skilled Cuevas stop him if if Whitaker is healthy enough?

 

Sweet, completely different kind of a puncher. I completely agree with you that Tito was far more skilled than Cuevas, as was Chavez, as was just about everyone else, and that's the reason. Tito's punches were thrown with precision. That straight right and that left hook were sweet. Pipino's came in faster, continuous, brutally hard, with the only intent to meet flesh and bone wherever that may be. He disregarded the setup and this is where Whitaker's defense relied. Pernell could jink and roll ever so slightly which would throw a fighter off his course. I have seen him do this to many a banger who was left holding a right hand after the moment had passed. Cuevas never plotted a course, might throw 10 punches at a ducking and rolling Whitaker and would be content with one landing. Those crunching shots I see eroding Whitaker over the long distance and catching up late. And also remember, Whitaker never had the greatest jaw and again, I never think of him as a welterweight.

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What next - who wins Whitaker or Gatti

 

Whitaker via shutout.

 

Thats all very well & good but that one or even two punches aint gonna KO a boxer of Whitaker`s greatness & all the while Pernell will be landing & scoring many more punches than Cuevas not to mention that Cuevas missing those power shots is likely going to leave him the weaker man in the championship rds, those same rds that some predict that Pernell will be broken.

The 147 lbs Whitaker that fought Chavez & McGirt (2nd fight) would outbox any version of Cuevas & Id bet my house on it.

 

The only way i can see cuevas winning this fight is if he stopped whitaker, i just can't see a points victory for him, i don't really see that happening so whitaker UD but cuevas would always be live, with his punching power, even whitaker with his defence and chin could be taken out by it, i just don't see it happening

 

I dont remember Pea EVER getting hit with a left hook, so giving Cuevas a chance in this fight is borderline ******ed!

 

Pea might win on points IF he doesn't get KO'd first. None of Pea's opponents ever had the brutal KO power Cuevas had. Not to mention that Whitaker isn't even a natural WW. Pernell could certainly put up a good defense, but I see him tiring late due to the extra weight. The championship rounds are where I believe Cuevas would finally get him, where a worn down Pea would catch one too many punches.