Please explain: what was Clottey's game plan to win against Pacquiao?

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  1. homebrand

    homebrand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What does Clottey himself say, did he explain any kind of plan?
     
  2. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  3. 8count

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    his gameplan was obvious in the poster

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  4. homebrand

    homebrand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  5. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    :rofl
     
  6. kflex101

    kflex101 Active Member Full Member

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    The thing which shits me the most about Clottey is that above all else (his lack of speed, his predictability etc) he is universally known as being tough as teak, yet still went the full 12 round in his shell.
    Given that he was in the fight of his life, surely he would have done something to try to pull out a win?
    Why brag that you have never been hurt if you are obviously so afraid of getting hit and completely unwilling to take a chance?

    There are some obvious comparisons to Zab Judah here, while Zab is a trash talking num nut with a 5 year old's attention span, the man deserves some serious respect. With a chin that is far worse than average he very often goes for broke, really taking some chances (the Tszyu fight, Clottey fight and Spinks fight amongst others are examples).

    If someone who is so unlikely to win a war of attrition like Zab can muster up enough courage to shoot it out with someone, what excuse does the iron chinned warrior who his own admission "has never been hurt" nevertheless stunned have?

    If Clottey isn't kicking himself for not giving the fight more of a punt, then you'd have to wonder what goes through his mind.
     
  7. igor_otsky

    igor_otsky Undefeated Full Member

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    clottey's forte is his good defense. the problem is that he was too afraid to initiate an attack as he may be open for pacquiao's right hook. Manny's plan was to counterhook joshua whenever joshua opens up.
     
  8. kflex101

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    Afraid to be hurt for the first time in his career?
    Though I agree with you, it's a pityful attitude for a guy who is known for his toughness to have in the fight of his life.
     
  9. igor_otsky

    igor_otsky Undefeated Full Member

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    I for one dont know what's up with clottey. he traded shots with margarito and cotto but he didnt against pac. maybe he could not figure out pac's movement or his gameplan wasnt there (due to his temporary trainor???)
     
  10. RogerB

    RogerB THE OLD GREY WOLF!! Full Member

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    I was also extremely disappointing in Clottey's performance ..It seemed he was waiting for the 'burnout' ...in the last couple rounds he had some meager success with the uppercut thro the middle and right to the body ...

    I think if he was humble coming to the fight his feeble performance wud have been more 'acceptable' as a EPIC FAIL ...but the slang all this Ying Yang about how tough and unmovable he is ..made **** worst ...

    Also IF you are THAT tough ..WHO can hurt you?? You prolly wouldnt even KNOW HOW to tuck up the way he did
     
  11. Godfather

    Godfather I put the G in God Full Member

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    Clottey's gameplan was to absorb Pac's shots in the early rounds to tire him, and to counter him (as he very likely believed that over the course of 12 rounds Pac wouldn't be able to stand up to his power). However two problems occurred: Pac's hand speed and stamina. Clottey waited too long for opportunities in the first half of the fight while Pac was peppering him with every shot in the book. Not all shots landed but I certainly believe Pacquiao landed more than the compubox stats indicated. Pac's stamina lasted the duration of the fight which Clottey did not anticipate.

    The other problem was Pacquiao's handspeed. He was countering/looking to counter whenever Clottey opened up. He was very successful in that it forced Clottey on to the defensive and allowed Pacquiao to pick his shots from the outside.

    In summary Pacquiao took Clottey out of his gameplan. Clottey decided to take less punishment rather than dishing out more.

    All credit to Pacquiao
     
  12. homebrand

    homebrand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    a good summary. :good

    In the end, Pac must take a lot of credit for Clottey's dismal performance.
     
  13. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. And like most boxers, having to train hard for a fight is still very much different when you get in the ring on fight night. That was Clottey being himself, but i didnt think he would be the same against a much smaller man. maybe there still was some dangerous power behind those shots that he cant afford to get hit cleanly.
     
  14. pinzon

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    Yeah, and maybe when it was time to go for broke he had nothing left due to all the body shots (tough to tell). I think he said "my legs are gone" after the 11th, but I couldn't hear it well.
     
  15. ninebar

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    Haven't heard from Clottey yet but i woke up to this story this morning, De Jesus is pissed with Clottey's passive effort to say the least!

    "He had no courage" Lenny De Jesus

    Written by Rey Colon, Special Envoy Sunday March 14,


    TEXAS - More than defeated, the Puerto Rican coach Lenny De Jesus face reflected frustration that Joshua Clottey did not meet the agreed plans to face Manny Pacquiao
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    , he strictly got imited to remain upright for 12 rounds and so to show up Freddie Roach.

    He had no balls, in spanish, No te tuvo los cojones, De jesus said. The training that was given was terrific but changed when Pacquiao began to throw lots of punches. He was honest with me and said 'Lenny I didnt wanted to give Roach the satisfaction of Pacquiao stopping me in the fight. I wanted to last the 12 rounds. "That's what he told me later in the clubhouse. I would have liked to have taken this fight to Wilfredo Gómez to teach Clottey how a real man fight. Gomez was a real man," revealed the Ponceño trainer.

    Between rounds, De Jesus was trying to convince Clottey to be more aggressive but the African refused to follow those instructions and has apparently opted to make his own game plan.

    "I told him he had to throw more punches, be creative and open up a bit to throw his own. But you saw, got stuck. No shot. He lost all the rounds. He wanted to last the 12 rounds. I could not put to fight for it. And he did not heed what he explained. He knew and I said it, did not want to open the guard. He threw two or three right uppercuts and not let go. The left stagnant, "he said.

    The 160 pounds that Clottey weighted in the fight did not affect him or his performance.

    "No, that was no factor. This weight is perfect. Maybe he got into his mind or which was to last twelve rounds to not give the satisfaction to Roach. I wasnt with that mentality. He didnt want to take the chance because most WW's have big power. The little man won, the big one didnt do what was expected.

    De Jesus said that following the fight and above the ring, Pacquiao admitted that he came to feel the force of Clottey.

    "Manny came up to me and said, Lenny, he hit me several times. He thanked me and I him and I think I will be given the opportunity to work with him. I told him in the ring. I will consider for the next fight, "settlement.