Please explain: what was Clottey's game plan to win against Pacquiao?

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  1. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    i'm pretty sure a ******* made this one. :rofl:rofl:rofl
     
  2. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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  3. blur

    blur WLADGLASSJAW Full Member

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    clottey was paid to lose...
     
  4. Dude

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    I thought Clottey's plan was for Pacman to tire himself out and impose himself later during the fight. That thought disappeared from my head after from around round 5-6.

    I felt like i was watching the opening round on repeat for the full 12.
     
  5. lastletter26

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    Here goes what happened for those who can't read between the lines and don't know what they are witnessing. To those who feel it was a set up or fix, It wasn't directly a set up but it was indirectly. Simple math is that people in the shell defense do not beat high punch output fighters (fighters who throw 85+ punches per round). Simple like 1+1=2. Arum and his people knew that so you can say it was a set up in that way. But to the fighters and camps it was fair game and clottey was trying to win as much as he could.

    Clottey's gameplan was to throw when pacman stopped punching round by round. Every round manny takes small breaks and that's when clottey threw combinations. Pac doesn't punch for 3 minutes straight as some believe and would have you believe. When pac was on the offensive (most of the time between the small breaks), Clottey got in the shell and threw 1 punch at a time (straigh right) then got back in the shell, whenever he did counter.

    Clottey couldn't trade with pac because he would have got hit alot. Using this gameplan kept him from getting hit. He knew this and during the fight he knew he wasn't being hit and was landing more clean punches with far less attempts. So I understand why he kept fighting like that. Still he should understand that alot of people can't tell the difference between punches landing and punches being blocked (fans, judges and punchstat operators included). IMO Clottey was expecting those pac to take breaks more frequently down the stretch. Didn't work out like that for him and he dam sure didn't put enough body work in for it to work on someone with pac's stanima.

    Pac's gameplan IMO was to go to clottey's body to make him drop those arms and break the shell down, and also to attack the shell at angles to find the opening. I think manny and roach were shocked to see that manny couldn't landing anything threw the shell even when his lateral movement got manny to the side of clottey. Manny landed some vicious body shots and I feel he had clottey hurt a few times without manny realizing it. Clottey is only open on the side of the body because the massive arms block everything up the middle (elbows). So they went to thier back up plan which was to just throw a bunch of punches.

    Overall that was the least amount of clean punches manny has landed on anyone's face. I have seen many veterans win fights by punch attempts and not landing clean shots but I never thought I would see manny do it. Clottey landed more clean shots than manny in the fight but couldn't deal with the stanima and speed of manny. Clottey had no choice but to fight in that way because when manny gets into his bouncing in and out trading rhythm you can't dance with him at all. You have to step back, you just can't trade when he is in that rhythm because he is INVINCIBLE when he's doing that and clottey figured that out prefight.



    Lastly Somebody needs to change or modify these punchstats. Seperate clean from grazing and partially blocked. I hate seeing some false ass misleading numbers that don't reflect the story of the fight. Manny didn't land 158 shots to clottey's face like the punchstats said. He might have landed 40 and hardly any of those were clean. If manny hit clottey 158 times (LOL), I would expect atleast a little bump on clottey's face. If those punchstats were true it would have shown manny landing easily less than 10% of his punches on clottey. I laugh when i hear this dominant talk also. Nothing was dominant in this fight. 1 guy looks like he got out the shower and one guy looks like he had been in a good fight. Call it what it was. 1 man throwing alot of punch attempts beating another who wouldn't punch enough. Don't call it dominant or an ass kicking because it certainly wasn't.
     
  6. war4years

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    i don't think he took much chance in the kt fight. he was moving backwards as fast as he could when that right hand tagged him.
     
  7. Samski313

    Samski313 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good Everybody could see this watching that fight. The casual fans left scratching their head at boxing.
     
  8. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sure Clottey was paid by arum to lose. Clottey wasn't aware of that though and he came to win. People acting like they never seen clottey fight before. This was the same ol **** against someone with a higher punch output that made him punch less. Simple as that. Name some clottey has traded with ever.
     
  9. bald_head_slick

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    I will tell you what his game plan was... You can find thins on a different "scene of boxing".

    Clottey (Top Rank) ALREADY (?) is about to get a title shot against the winner of Yuri Foreman (Top Rank) / Cotto (Top Rank)! After that performance, how do you land a title shot in a weight division you aren't even active in? Bob Arum is playing the boxing world for fools!
     
  10. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    he looked intimidating at the weight in ...
     
  11. bald_head_slick

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    Sorry man. I tended to believe that it wasn't a set up like you, but we have seen Clottey trade with other guys. I have NEVER seen Clottey this cautious.

    Clottey may not trade, but Clottey very often uses lead left hooks and lead straight rights. He ususally shoots these BEFORE and AFTER exchanges. Manny was there to be hit. Look at his face after the fight. He chose to shell up the entire fight.

    Then the announcement by Arum that he will get a shot at Yuri Foreman? Come on!
     
  12. you aren't missing ****. clottey came to the fight to act like a *****. There is only 2 reasons I can think of that caused this mu****a not want to fight. He was paid to take the "L" or he was too tired from that long ass walk to the ring that he was too physically exhausted to throw punches.
     
  13. standing 8

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    Good post.
     
  14. bald_head_slick

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    Now he is going to get a shot at Yuri Foreman! That ish was fixed! :-(
     
  15. Yo I am trying to tell these blinded mu****as that all of this **** is a top stank setup. But they refuse to believe this ****. This fight was thrown so that pac could still make money for arum and now clottey is promised money and a title shot. mu****as will chose not to see this but hug onto manny's balls and act like he gave the performance of a god. man please.