Please name...

Ali,Leonard,Duran etc etc..the list goes on..

You cant talk down the legitimacy of most multiple world champs..

Its only ones like Mundine who never had to beat a current champ to win his title..Both times were for vacant titles(WBA).

It disgusts me to think Mundine is a mutiple world champion(technically).

 

He has not won against a top 4 fighter...thats why hes number 5 in the world :hey

End of the day an NRL player being top 5 for 4 or 5 years is very good.....and you never know he may just get a big shot and win :good

 

Can certainly argue the legitimacy of most/perhaps all current champions.

Our greatest ever such as Curruthers, Fammo & Rose won titles from legitimate reigning champions in the days when there were only two recognised champions in each division - and there were far less divisions as well.

What Mundine has achieved doesn't qualify him to tie their shoe-laces!

 

Im not familiar with australian boxing history to be truthful but in their own context i'm sure they were great achievements.

My pet hate in any sports is comparison with modern athletes against olden day athletes, i'm a firm believer in modern athletes being of a higher calibre than those of the past.

 

very scientific......atsch

not only that...can you tell me how many registered boxers there were in 1919...compared to 2010?

and then tell me why a smaller talent pool, produces better talent....you **** head.

 

that point is irrelevant

the best of this era vs the best of a previous era = a win for this era

It is true of every sport with the exception of archery (probably).

From your disdain at my point I can guess you are one of these "boxing historians" who wish they were about in the 1650's when boxing was a real sport. It is only boxing fans that live in the past that refuse to accept this.

Looking at mma for a weak comparison you can see that the legends (gracie, shamrock etc) were embarrassed as time brought with it better fighters and training.

Don't view the past with rose tinted spectacles. Achievements from the past were great in their own rights and most importantly their own times.

 

To be a legitimate world champion you need to prove you are/were the best in your weight division by defeating the reigning champion - after all that's what World Champion actually means, the best in the world.

The like's of Currothers, Fammo & Rose proved that they were genuinely the best in the world - there's no arguement - Mundine has achieved nothing remotely approaching that.

As far as different eras go, you can only beat who's around at the time. The others did, Mundine hasn't!

 

so archers of old are equal to the task today.......and you believe it is so because....? now, considering the larger talent pool that was available at the time, compared with today......

and considering the talent pool of australian boxing in 1919......THOUSANDS OF REGISTERED, ACTIVE PROS, compared to the what? less than a hundred of today.....

me thinks your thinking is totally ****ed up.

 

The word "PRO" is interesting sally....I'm not a boxing historian but when you say thousands of registered "PROS" I wonder what level of PRO you mean.

To be professional normally means that you don't do anything other than your nominated profession....IE if your a boxer you only box....I don't think we would have had many fulltime boxers back then...even in the world for that matter....now the would has thousands of fulltime boxers that train and study boxing and other boxers each day without going to work for 40 hours.

Being able to concentrate all your energy on boxing would make a better generation of fighters I think.

 

No banter with you then.

You fail to take into account tv, sponsorship, notoriety, training centres etc

In 1919 i'm sure anyone vaguely hard could eke out a bit of money fighting on the side due to the ability fight whoever etc and appear better than they are. **** like boxrec stops this as fans are more savvy. The most promising talent get attention from top trainers and can experience world boxing at a young age from funding etc thus joe bum is most likely weeded out. Improved safety and medical care will make it less attractive for ppl to get knocked out for money as there is a mandatory sit out period for concussed fighters, thus less people can make a quick buck that way.

Your view of boxing is detrimental and insulting to the sport, are you saying it's moved backwards? trainers are less knowledgeable?

Get with the times, by all means beat off to your black and white tapes but don't kid yourself a 1919 champ would beat a 2010 champ

 

I would consider anyone that gets paid to fight is a professional.....whether they have a 2nd job or not.

Katsidis worked a 2nd job not long before he went overseas and i'm sure pittman still works as a cleaner.

 

[quote="DJ";5953980]....a reigning world champion with one of the BIG 4 belts (WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO) that Mundine has beaten in the ring?[/quote]

Now the threads done the rounds of the table, let's get back to the originator's original simple question:

...a reigning world champion with one of the BIG 4 belts (WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO) that Mundine has beaten in the ring?

Simple answer - nobody!

 

answered in post 3 - irrelevant topic as mundine was still 2 time WBA champ

 

climb back on your pile dickhead. just because you cant think for yourself. im not going to help you....