Please only answer if you know the answer! Is grabing/holding legal or not in Boxing?

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  1. Chempasillo

    Chempasillo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    and what should the ref do?


    because often fights are won, not only by superior skills, but by that technic and a lot of refs let it go.


    lets say you 6'3, your opponent 5'11

    your opponent only will have a chance when he punches you on the inside, when you grab him as soon as he steps in, you have an advantage, if than your opponent trys too bulk out and fight of the clinch and the ref jumps in and automatly stops, than again, the taller graber is in advantage. call it wladimir ward style, but it works and it shouldnt because a for me it is nwo sweet sceince and b cant watch that bull****
     
  2. PH|LLA

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  3. Chempasillo

    Chempasillo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    thanks philla, so why do refs dont do there job and take points if you hold too much. I mean wlad grabs n holds every 30 seconds.
     
  4. PH|LLA

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    also

    Rules of Boxing

    The rules of boxing vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and on whether it is an amateur or professional bout. A violation of the following rules is considered a foul, and can result in a point deduction or disqualification:

    You cannot hit below the belt,
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    , trip, kick, headbutt, wrestle, bite, spit on, or push your opponent.
    You cannot hit with your head, shoulder, forearm, or elbow.
    You cannot hit with an open glove, the inside of the glove, the wrist, the backhand, or the side of the hand.
    You cannot punch your opponent's back, or the back of his head or neck (rabbit punch), or on the kidneys (kidney punch).
    You cannot throw a punch while holding on to the ropes to gain leverage.
    You can't hold your opponent and hit him at the same time, or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line.
    When the referee breaks you from a clinch, you have to take a full step back; you cannot immediately hit your opponent--that's called "hitting on the break" and is illegal.
    You cannot spit out your mouthpiece on purpose to get a rest.
    If you score a knockdown of your opponent, you must go to the farthest neutral corner while the referee makes the count.
    If you "floor" your opponent, you cannot hit him when he's on the canvas.
    A floored boxer has up to ten seconds to get back up on his feet before losing the bout by knockout.
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    If the foul results in an injury that causes the fight to end immediately, the boxer who committed the foul is disqualified.
    If the foul causes an injury but the bout continues, the referee orders the judges to deduct two points from the boxer who caused the injury.
    If an unintentional foul causes the bout to be stopped immediately, the bout is ruled a "no contest" if four rounds have not been fully completed. (If the bout was scheduled for four rounds, then three rounds must have been completed.) If four rounds have been completed, the judges' scorecards are tallied and the fighter who is ahead on points is awarded a technical decision. If the scores are even, it will be called a "technical draw."
    If a boxer is knocked out of the ring, he gets a count of 20 to get back in and on his feet. He cannot be assisted.
    In some jurisdictions the standing eight-count or the three knockdown rule also may be in effect.
    In other jurisdictions, only the referee can stop the bout.
     
  5. PH|LLA

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    It's illegal to physically hold your opponent, but it's not illegal to smother him. I think it's a fine line and hard for refs to tell if a fighter is actually using his arms to prevent his opponent from moving or if he is just smothering him.

    Wlad does hold a lot though.
     
  6. Chempasillo

    Chempasillo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah you right, but still, the way for example ward was holding abraham was unfair too me, at least let abraham punch wile being hold, you know. because if the refs says "no problem" too wards holding but "no" too abraham punching wile being held, than abraham has very poor chances considering him being much smaller, with far less reach.

    no excuses, ward won, but still.....


    I mean no wrestling, hugging, holding, clinching, for me this sounds prety much of a wlad fight and I have never saw a ref saying what he should say, "you hugging every time your opponent steps in and now I take you a point!"
     
  7. NoCoolFool?

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    I think its one of the biggest problems with boxing: Too much holding. Its not penalized or warned for enough.
    But it is difficult to see for the ref sometimes. You see the sly (experienced?) guys hold with the opposite arm to the side that the ref is on. It happens a lot - you see the boxer telling the ref that he's not holding but the camera sees that he actually is on the opposite side.

    There is also too much complacency by the held opponent. It is a break mid-round. The held boxer should try like mad to get out of the hold...Duran style...and seeing this action the ref should issue a warning.

    But there is referee discretion involved as well. Hurt boxers holding on is a little different as opposed to holding as a deliberate tactic.
     
  8. Bubby

    Bubby Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holding behind the head is illegal but was an Ali tradmark, what do people want the ref to do? Stop the fight and get killed by the fans?
     
  9. MarioBrothers

    MarioBrothers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    agree, too much holding is one of the reasons for **** fights. Recently saw pavlik-lopez live on the pac undercard and it was hard to stomach
     
  10. kopejh

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    yep. Wlad does this a lot as well, but you know how passive-aggressive German fans are.
     
  11. nuketurnal

    nuketurnal N-Bomb Full Member

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    one guy constantly hugging the other.. fvckin gay
     
  12. streetz

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    Only legal when ur hurt
     
  13. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I think refs are more lenient on illegal moves when used defensively and not to hit your opponent. I got that idea from expertboxing.com
    Like if you push your opponent's head down to keep him off of you, then he won't trip as much, but if you do it and then punch with your other hand, he may get mad
     
  14. Boxing Fanatic

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    u could be disqualified for holding excessively
     
  15. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Refs should deduct points for it, and DQ for it if it continues too much.
    It is all on the ref. You can't really fault a fighter for doing it, since refs tend to ignore this foul.
    I don't understand why the sanctioning bodies, tv stations, commissions, etc don't put more pressure on the ref to enforce the rules.