Please Participate--All-Time Light Heavyweight Poll (POLL CLOSED)

I did notice that, actually.

 

1. Charles
2. Tunney
3.Moore
4.Foster
5.Langford
6.Loughran
7.Conn
8.Greb
9.Spinks
10.Dillon

Very hard division to rank.
I would not be surprised if Langford could beat them all ,but I am influenced to some extent by what they did at the weight.
Head to head I think Tunney probably decisions Charles,but Charles has the better names on his record.
Hard to leave out Lewis,Johnson , Delaney,and Jones .Fitz did little at the weight and Choynsky is a nightmare to rate.Tommy Burns actually weighed inside this limit as did OBrien when they met for the Heavy title, so Burns could be in the shake up
So although I am not entirely happy ,I will go with this ten.










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McVey,

Fitz is a hard one to rank, but did he really do little at this weight?

As a light heavyweight, he knocked out the reigning undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. That is something that no other light heavyweight that i can think of has done. Sure some like Tunney, Charles, Moore and Jones Jr ended up fighting and beating heavyweight Contenders, champions, undisputed champions and even all time great heavyweights (possibly even the greatest). But, none of them did this while weighing below the light heavyweight limit. Further, when he was no longer a factor on the heavyweight scene he fought the light heavyweight champion and won the title. I think that pretty much is as close to proof that suggests that he was the best light heavyweight in the world for a long time. In fact, when he beat Maher in 1892 he was above the middleweight limit but under the heavyweight limit. I think that this was arguably the best fighter any light heavyweight had ever beat, and pretty much gave him a claim to being the best light heavyweight in the world (at the very least, it was as good as Roy Jones Claim ever got). After this, he did have a draw with Joe Choynski who was a great light heavyweight, but according to boxrec, he had knocked choynski down and would have likely kod him if police did not intervene. It was not until 1905 that he lost a fight to an all time great light heavy in Philladelphia Jack O Brien. This included a 1903 World Light heavyweight title win against George Gardner who had in 1903 laid a claim to being the first ever World Light Heavyweight Champion. In reality, although there was no officially recognised light heavyweight division, Fitz was (or at least in hindsight was) the best light heavyweight in the world about 1892 to 1905 when he lost the world light heavyweight championship. What other light heavyweight fought at this weight and accomplished this much over this lenghth of time.

The more i think about it, the more i think that Fitz really is the standout number one light heavyweight of all time.

 

Still wont enter the comp hey.

I rate Langford because he is the best to ever fight at 175. EVER. Some say the title was rightfully his like someone else said.

Jack Johnson wouldnt even fight Langford yet every man and there dog would fight Charles back in the day.

There i made my point. Moore to me was the best title holder of 175 so he gets 2nd then Charles probably the next in line. Still a fair list.

I should have a go at you for leaving probably the most talented 175 fighter ever in Roy Jones jr.

Yet i said **** all about your list. You started this **** im ending with the same as ive been saying for a year.

Put up or shut up dickhead. Tipping Comp lets see how much this so called know it all really knows.

PLEASE. Mate ill give you a tip Sweet Pea, Boxing is a great sport one of the greatest ever. But mate the boxers of yester year dont fight any more. So everytime any one in here has an opinion remember its not set in stone because for we know Joe Louis could lose to friggin Sam Peter with one punch. We just dont know.

I give you credit for knowing **** about older fighters ill say that right now. But if you really knew everything you would enter the tipping comps and back that big mouth of your up.

BUT GUESS WHAT YOU DONT, In fact you never have. You can say i go on my rants but im sick of how guys in here think the world of a guy with 3 cm thick biceps. Oh im not old or bald.

Oh and cheers to Cobra that for once i see there isnt a guy that thinks Sweet Pea's word is gospel. Least he hasnt had the taste of salty Sweet Pea's nuts in his mouth.

There is a few in here that have though. U know who you are..

 

I just want to debate Boppa Zoo, i can do it rationally with you, just by giving an opinion, feel free to do so with me as well.

This can only be an opinion. The division is so deep that this could feasibly be imagined to be said about a few others as well.

As much as this is an interesting talking point, it doesn't hold much water in my opinion in terms of certified greatness. I can only rank fighters on what they did in the ring. Plus, Johnson did fight Langford once didn't he? I might be wrong. It's a controversial fight if i recall correct.

I personally for years have thought it is absurd (no disrespect) to have Moore above Charles, even if people seem to think the second bout was controversial. In time i have really even appreciated Moore's achievements at 175 even more so, which i certainly did anyway, but i can never have him above Charles, just my take.

It's all subjective, but yeah i think he might deserve a top ten spot, if looked at in a certain light. Like i say, it is subjective though.

I'm not too sure about this part.

 

The same applies for Charles, considering he beat every man there was to beat, including Moore 3 times.

So you're discrediting Charles for fighting literally everyone, while crediting Langford for being ducked by men who already beat him at weights outside of Light Heavyweight. Your arguments are looking stronger by the second, Boppa.:roll:

Sure, though I don't personally see how Moore ranks above Charles. My issue wasn't with your list, but with the reasons you used to justify Charles's ranking when you so balatantly contradicted yourself by placing another fighter who'd never won any title at #1.

I definitely don't think so, not at LHW anyways.

You're calling me out for responding to your logic with a one sentence post? Hey hypocrite, why not check out your work in the Whitaker thread and **** off.

What's your point?

I already clearly explained this.

I've seen your pics, you're a balding old man with a weight problem. Your opinions on physical activity aren't the most convincing.

Considering he was the first one to call out the inconsistency in your post, I'm pretty sure his reponse was tongue in cheek. Give up, no one likes you.:good

 

Teeto dont give me that ****. Every time Sweet Pea has posted you have jumped to his gay aid.
Like Freddy Mercury.
LOL.

Hey to be fair Roy Jones deserves top ten. Because i cant put him in my Middleweights or even Super Middleweights because really 7 fights at 168 just isnt enough.

Ok here the stats on the 3 men on my list all time. And friends and classic posters what the one thing that never lies.

Statistics.

Ok now it is very hard to get Stats on Langford but from what ive read from Boxing Journo's of the day that Langford fought at about the Light Heavy weight of 175 from 1907 to about the start of 1912 is when he weas weighing about 180 plus.
Now remember all these fights that Langford at that time at weighing about 175 or under were against Heavyweights of the day.

So here is what i gathered and you make your minds up.

Sam Langford.
At the 175 weight or around
Wins----43
Loses---2
Draws---6
KO's----28
ND------3
Title----0 (He mostly fought Coloured Title Fight at Heavy so doesnt count)

Archie Moore
At 175
Wins----63
Loses---9
Draws---2
KO's-----40
Titles----10 (he never lost a 175 title fight)

Ezzard Charles
at 175
Wins---25
Loses--2
Draws--0
KO's---14
Titles---0 (He never was given a shot so he moved up)

Now if anyone has a problem with my list theres the stats.

 

Really i came at you in normal debate there, and you come back at me like that?

This the mutha****in thanks i get?!!

Well anyway i haven't come to his gay aid, me and him have debated plenty of times, recently even, if we agree we do, if we don't we debate. Has it ever crossed your mind that he might respect my opinion more than yours, meaning that he, like others, simply debate with me they don't agree. Whereas you talk **** so he, like others treat you like just that.

By the way you hypocrite *****, you are calling Pea all the names under the son because he apparently doesn't engage you in the stuff you want to debate with him, 'tipping' you call it.

Well you just put a post up in an open forum, i debated with you peacefully, and you, instead of replying with reasonings for your post, give me sum bull**** insult that holds no water.

Now you're done, now you've lost your credibility (though it seemd non-existent, i give you the benefit of the doubt), and now you can eat my **** you ****in wrongen.

 

And statistics aren't reasoning.

 

Mate my activity on Physical activity isnt convincing.
I come from a sporting family. Played all these sports at a high level my brother was asked to play district cricket in Melbourne. I was planning on playing baseball in the states. I have 2 auncles and 2 cousins that have played AFL or Australian Rules Football.
Played Cricket,AFL,Tennis, Golf, Basketball and(Baseball was the coach of our local team) Yes im to old now i admit that and my chance past me by. Im 31.

To make more proof this is footage of my cousin playing AFL.
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the 1.59min mark thats my cousin. This team is one of the best afl teams to ever win a Grand Final.

We have a huge sporting back ground. Yes im a little over weight and old now but when i was 16 to 19 i was a sporting machine.

Does this look over weight to you. Just your opinion fella's. I was a Jock.
Even at 17 i was bigger than Sweet Pea. Im talking Muscle defanition.

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The reasons you have put forth for Moore being above Charles are laughable, BoppaZoo. Even if you want to make the case, that is not the one, and anyhow, the right case likely even comes short for any knowledgeable poster/fan, you window lickin ******.

And by the way, you missed me laughing at your one liner towards Sweet Pea earlier in this thread?

You're a waste man.

 

Ugly ****

 

Defanition? Can't spell either.

Pissed off the wrong guy possibly!

 

Statistics in a case of a top ten hold more ground than just someones opinion though.

Sorry if i you took the joke to harshly. I thought it was funny.

 

Alright i'll just leave you alone now, it did **** me off there though for a sec.

Sorry for the harsh comeback.