Please Participate--All Time Lightweight Survey (POLL CLOSED!!)

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Same deal as with the heavyweight, light heavyweight, middleweight, and welterweight divisions. I will keep this one going until November 19 (give or take, but make that the tentative deadline for now).

    Scoring system is as follows:

    25 points for your #1 guy
    15 for #2
    12 for #3
    10 for #4
    8 for #5
    5 for #6
    4 for #7
    3 for #8
    2 for #9
    1 for #10

    * Please make a list of TEN FIGHTERS.

    * NO TIES!
    * If you make a List of MORE or LESS than 10, your list will NOT COUNT
    * Please include fighter's full name

    Anyway, to kick it off, here's what I came up with:

    1. Roberto Duran
    2. Benny Leonard
    3.     Pernell Whitaker
    4. Joe Gans
    5. Carlos Ortiz
    6. Alexis Arguello
    7. Ike Williams
    8. Henry Armstrong
    9. Sugar Shane Mosley
    10.     Tony Canzoneri
     
    Rumsfeld, Oct 29, 2009
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  2. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    1. Benny Leonard
    2. Roberto Duran
    3. Ike Williams
    4. Carlos Ortiz
    5. Pernell Whitaker
    6. Joe Gans
    7. Henry Armstrong
    8. Tony Canzoneri
    9. Packy McFarland
    10. Joe Brown

    So many guys I wanted to put in there...Ambers, Welsh, Laguna, Jack, Tendler, Chavez, Ross..but again this is hard and my head would have hurt to much after it.

    The greatest and most talent rich division that boxing has ever seen.
     
    WhataRock, Oct 29, 2009
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  3. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is one of my favorite divisions and will take some work. I will have to get back to this.
     
    Bummy Davis, Oct 29, 2009
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  4. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1. Benny Leonard
    2. Roberto Duran
    3. Joe Gans
    4. Carlos Ortiz
    5. Pernell Whitaker
    6. Ike Williams
    7. Henry Armstrong
    8. Tony Canzoneri
    9. Barney Ross
    0. Ismael Laguna
     
    bodhi, Oct 30, 2009
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  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    1 . Benny Leonard
    2 .Joe Gans
    3.Ike Williams
    4.Roberto Duran
    5.Henry Armstrong
    6.Barney Ross
    7.Carlos Ortiz
    8.Tony Canzoneri
    9.Pernell Whitaker
    10.Joe Brown
     
    mcvey, Oct 30, 2009
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Guys, no Jack McAuliffe? I know I complain about somebody every time we do one of these things and you all must be sick of it, but Jack was the best of the pre-Gans lightweights and maybe apart from Gans nobody overhauled him until Leonard...also, pre-Louis-era, this was probably the deepest division all told? The man was ubeaten against the best of his generation, he fought for 13 plus years. Is he just forgotten because he's from a by-gone era? Williams and Britton, okay, I was up for them being in but I think if JM doesn't make it in it's a bit of a disgrace for ESB Classic to be honest...

    Jack McAuliffe never lost and fought 9 world title bouts. He could box, punch and was seen as the greatest ring general of the day. I can't imagine the criteria that would allow Laguna or even someone like Barney Ross to rank above him, unless it was criteria excluding un-filmed fighters.
     
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  7. rileyjj123456

    rileyjj123456 Member Full Member

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    1. Roberto Duran
    2. Benny Leonard
    3. Joe Gans
    4. Ike Williams
    5. Pernell Whitaker
    6. Carlos Ortiz
    7. Henry Armstrong
    8. Tony Canzoneri
    9. Alexis Arguello
    10. Sugar Shane Mosley
     
    rileyjj123456, Oct 30, 2009
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  8. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, 100%. How in the world does the longest reigning champion in the history of the division not make the top 10.

    I think anyone who has already posted a list should read about Jack McAuliffe and repost their lists.
     
    Boilermaker, Oct 30, 2009
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  9. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Roberto Duran
    2. Ike Williams
    3. Henry Armstrong
    4. Alexis Arguello
    5. Pernell Whitaker
    6. Carlos Ortiz
    7. Joe Brown
    8. Ken Buchanan
    9. Ismael laguna
    10. Tony Canzoneri


    the first four picked themselves.its just a matter of what order
     
    turpinr, Oct 30, 2009
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    The best you can do if you want to hold something against him is the Carney draw. The only figher I would say is inarguably above him is Leonard. You can definitely rank others above him safely and snuggly - Gans for example - but McAuliffe is basically anywhere in the argument you'd care to mention outside of the #1 spot IMO. I think he'll probably end up #4 or #5 on my list. Possibly #3.
     
    McGrain, Oct 30, 2009
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    01 - Benny Leonard
    02 - Roberto Duran
    03 - Joe Gans
    04 - Jack McAullife
    05 - Ike Williams
    06 - Carlos Ortiz
    07 - Pernell Whitaker
    08 - Henry Armstrong
    09 - Packy McFarland
    10 - Tony Canzoneri









    11 & 12 are Buchanan and Ross
     
    McGrain, Oct 30, 2009
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  12. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wouldnt necessarilly say inarguably, but i agree with what you say.

    I know it proves nothing, but how awesome would the 1920 exhibition fight between McAuliffe and Leonard have been?
     
    Boilermaker, Oct 30, 2009
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    In the main, because we would have had a drop of Jack on film. And I'm sure Leonard would have been gentlemanly and let him have some time and space to show his best.
     
    McGrain, Oct 30, 2009
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  14. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    1. Benny Leonard
    2. Roberto Duran
    3. Joe Gans
    4. Pernell Whitaker
    5. Ike Williams
    6. Jack McAullife (Still know very little about him, but I'm convinced enough)
    7. Henry Armstrong
    8. Carlos Ortiz
    9. Tony Canzoneri
    10. Joe Brown
     
    the cobra, Oct 30, 2009
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  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You a righteous man.
     
    McGrain, Oct 30, 2009
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