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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    There is now!
     
    McGrain, Oct 31, 2009
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  2. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he also lost to berg so i am thinking perhaps berg sneaks in:D
     
    Mr Butt, Oct 31, 2009
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  3. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    There is usually one guy in every weight class who is often left off many lists that causes you to question why.

    The reason is usually one of two things:

    1. There are certain fighters that some are more knowledgeable on than others. (This goes in step with personal bias, too)

    2. In the process of creating a list, some names are simply overlooked, as in your case with Sweet Pea.

    This is not a criticism. Just an observation.

    I actually enjoy reading the debates you guys have on these threads over certain fighters because it helps expand my horizons.

    :good
     
    Rumsfeld, Oct 31, 2009
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  4. mcvey

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    Canzoneri lost a split dec to Berg in 1930,he kod Berg in 3rds a year later and beat him by dec the same year .So he established his superiority over Berg imo.I would unhesitatingly rate Berg over McAuliffe, based on who he beat.Does that answer your question?:D
     
    mcvey, Oct 31, 2009
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It's odd, it seems that your lightweight list is purely based on resume, but your HW list seems to be more about head to head...why the difference?
     
    McGrain, Nov 1, 2009
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  6. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    it may of been a split decision but i think the news paper reports all favoured berg ,and canzoneri had to be carried back to his corner at the final bell

    mcauliffe is one a can not find to much info on .iwas considering battling nelson
     
    Mr Butt, Nov 1, 2009
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  7. ricardoparker93

    ricardoparker93 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1. Roberto Duran
    2. Benny Leonard
    3. Pernell Whitaker
    4. Carlos Ortiz
    5. Ike Williams
    6. Joe Gans
    7. Henry Armstrong
    8. Tony Canzoneri
    9. Alezis Arguello
    10. Julio Cesar Chavez
     
    ricardoparker93, Nov 1, 2009
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  8. mcvey

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    Well we all have our favourites.:good
     
    mcvey, Nov 1, 2009
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes you are right.
    Why the difference ?
    Because, I am a cranky old man.
     
    mcvey, Nov 1, 2009
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  10. Manassa

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    1. Benny Leonard
    2. Roberto Duran
    3. Ike Williams
    4. Joe Gans
    5. Carlos Ortiz
    6. Henry Armstrong
    7. Barney Ross
    8. Tony Canzoneri
    9. Pernell Whitaker
    10. Ken Buchanan
     
    Manassa, Nov 1, 2009
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  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Good list with all the usual suspects,except Buchanan,whom I nearly put in place of Brown.
     
    mcvey, Nov 1, 2009
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  12. Manassa

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    Ta. I, too, nearly swapped those two around (even though I'm anti-Brown). I nearly had Montgomery in there as well, but you can't have Montgomery without Jack - I'm dead set on them both being equals.
     
    Manassa, Nov 1, 2009
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  13. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    You reckon he is worth such a shout over someone like Welsh, who was champ nearly as long but against fighters whose calibre could be verified a little easier..With wins over a consensus top 3 fighter in Leonard, quality fighters like Dundee, Wolgast, Driscoll, White, Battling Nelson etc.

    To me I can be more sure of the quality of Welsh's opposition. He had 10+ title fights and you cant find a spot for him in your top 12?
     
    WhataRock, Nov 1, 2009
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  14. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    1. Benny Leonard
    2. Roberto Duran
    3. Pernell Whittaker
    4. Joe Gans
    5. Carlos Ortiz
    6. Ike Williams
    7. Tony Canzoneri
    8. Jack McAuliffe
    9. Joe Brown
    10. Henry Amrstrong
     
    GPater11093, Nov 1, 2009
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  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Welsh definitely has a case for the top 10...he would have made it in a lot of other divisions.
     
    McGrain, Nov 1, 2009
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