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blackburn ,nelson ,mclarnin, berg .cant find room for all maybe not even one this is the hardest weight so far, i have made about 4 list's so far

 

who is No1 ?

 

for me duran but only just over leonard but again not 100% sure i like what i have read about leonard will look at some arcel quotes as he saw both ,trained both leonard was on his comeback then but arcel new him in and out of the gym when he was in his prime

 

1. Duran
2. Leonard
3. Whitaker
4. Gans
5. Williams
6. Armstrong
7. Ortiz
8. Tony Canzoneri
9. Barney Ross
10. Joe Brown

 

I have Buchanan at eleven ,I agonised about leaving him out ,but in the end opted for Joe Brown .

 

I'm not drinking the McAuliffe Kool-Aid.

1. Benny Leonard
2. Roberto Duran
3. Joe Gans
4. Carlos Ortiz
5. Pernell Whitaker
6. Ike Williams
7. Henry Armstrong
8. Barney Ross
9. Tony Canzoneri
10. Packy McFarland

 

Rematching men so many times indicates a dearth of quality competition to me.

 

Your analogy between McAuliffe and the Black dynamite trio is easily refuted,simply because Langford ,Mcvey ,Jeanette, and, later Wills fought each other so often because the top champions and contenders would not fight them , because the colour of their skin meant they could be safely bypassed. and when they occasionally did they often insisted on a handcuff arrangement.
McAuliffe fought 5 guys a total of eleven times.Why ?

Ask yourself why he NEVER rematched Griffo or Carney ,who both held him to draws?
You make a nonsensical statement like" I know nothing of Billy Dacey , but I am sure he was not a novice".:huh


MAuliffe really didn't dominate his era did he? He was held to a draw in three fights one by a featherweight who was an alcoholic , another was in front at the premature end,and he had a draw with Billy Myer,and when he beat him both men were over 137lbs, so it was not a lightweight defence, as the limit was 133lbs .
If he had rematched Carney and Griffo and beaten them I would give him more slack ,but he didnt.
The Carney fight saw Carney coming in at 129lbs McAuliffe at 126lbs.
It was a prvate fight ,with both men being allowed to invite 14 guests ,who had to be vetted.
Carney scored a knockdown in the 7th round but rallied strongly.As the 60th round came up Mcauliffe was seriously weary,[no wonder] ,his backers attempted to stop the affair but were subdued .In the 70th rd Carney again dropped
McAuliffe,and again McAuliffes friends interfered with the proceedings and gained him an extended rest. In the 74th round Carney again put McAuliffe down ,and at this McAuliffe's backers rushed the ring once more, the referee, a Mr Stevenson declared the contest a draw,because of fears of a police intervention, at the time of the stoppage Carney was clearly in front whereas McAuliffe looked all in.
Carney and McAulife reenacted their fight 27 years later in London[1914],it was refereed by the former British heavyweight Champion Charley Mitchell,and photos of it can be seen in Nat Fleischer's " A Pictorial History Of Boxing"Along with an account of the fight , and a picture of McAuliffe in old age [65] posing with the gloves he wore for the fight,they are open ended with a separate thumbpiece that is also open ended.

It seems you rate fighters different to me ,thats for sure.C:\Documents and Settings\OEM\My Documents\My Pictures\McAuliffe and Carney


C:\Documents and Settings\OEM\My Documents\My Pictures\McAuliffe and Carney



C:\Documents and Settings\OEM\My Documents\My Pictures\McAuliffe and Carney


Tried to show the photos ,looks like I failed.

 

I think Mclarnin belongs in the welterweight tournament myself.

 

yeah i know what your saying but he and berg were avoided at lightweight and mclarnin i am sure i have read somewhere was a better lightweight than welter but did not get a shot i will could be wrong as i think i read this in baby face goes to hollywood

forgot mclarnin lost to mandell

 

Carney and Mcauliffe re enacted their fight 27 years later.

 

Mac I took a couple of pic from Fleischers book, to show you Carney and McAuliffe , unfortunately I can't get them up .sorry!