Please rate Cleveland Williams?

Stop feeding the troll before he turns into Butterbean.

 

Foreman says a lot of nice stuff now days. Also how many 200 pound guys did Liston face? So it isn't like Liston was hit by many 200 pound guys. Also Wilder has yet to face any world class legit guys who were known for having good chins. So who knows if he could crack against against elite fighters or not?

Tye Fields has a lot of knockouts. So is he a world class puncher too?

 

Everyone he fought didn't say he was a big puncher. A couple a guys said he was a hard puncher. If you as a fighter a question most will say something nice about their opponents especially back in the day. Most people he faced has nothing to say about him at all.

Here is the George Chuvalo vs Williams bout. Watch young inexperience George Foreman vs Chuvalo. First you will see how Foreman constantly pushes Chuvalo back while Chuvalo constantly pushed Willliams back.. A raw young Foreman was able to stop Chuvalo while Williams punches did nothing against Chuvalo.

 

I just thought he was being dim.

 

Good Lord.

 

Foreman talked about Williams power in the early 90s, not ‘now days’, as for the rest of your post, you don’t know **** about boxing my friend

 

The Lord is good and so is the blocked button.

 

The 90s were still when Foreman came back and constantly said nice stuff about everybody he knew or everybody he fought. I lost more knowledge about boxing than you will ever acquire in your life. Lol if you think Cleveland Williams was a good fighter then good for you. Nobody who fought him thought he was a good fighter. I never heard any boxers who weren't trying to be nice like Foreman say anything about Williams. Nobody cares about him. He was just a nobody in the history of boxing.

Guess what I do know friend? How to use the block button feature. Blocked.

 

Oh no a stranger on the internet blocked me because I think a fighter 60 years ago punched harder than he thinks he does. Get a grip FFS

 

I would view Williams differently had he knocked machen out in one round like Ingo did rather than being able to draw over 12 rounds with Machen like Williams did.

I am sorry but I side more with the facts of a career rather than along lines of amusing fantasy.

 

Williams was decent contender at his best, but nothing special in historical sense. Would he reach top 75 HWs ever? I'm not sure it's a lock to be honest.

 

Didn't you try to make the case that Machen was the best heavyweight in the world at one point in time? So using your infamous logic, Williams drawing with him, means he would've been tied for the best in the world at least at some point correct? Or do these rules only apply when they suit an agenda?

 

Machen was at one time the worlds most logical contender. Unbeaten. With solid wins over Valdes, hurricane Jackson, Bob Baker and Johnny Summerlin.

That’s not my “infamous logic” That’s actual logic. Number one contender.

Now, four defeats four years later Machen isn’t riding so high is he?

He’s lost to Ingo. He’s lost to Liston. He’s lost to Foley and he’s even lost to light heavyweight veteran Harold Johnson (who never beat another heavyweight again) by the time he meets Cleveland Williams.

The fight was not even a win for Williams either. Nobody celebrates draws.

So please stop with these nonsensical comparisons between Johansson and Cleveland Williams.

There is no comparison.

The outcomes of these results against the same guy could not be further apart. Hardly the same circumstances.

In truth, Light heavyweight Harold Johnson has a better record against Eddie Machen than the bigger punching Cleveland Williams has. And that’s a closer comparison to the opponent Williams met.

 

That's cute, trying to make out Harold Johnson was past it because he "never beat another heavyweight". How many heavyweights did he try to beat after this? Oh, that's right, none. He just spent two more years as world light heavyweight champion and then retired - still a top contender - another five years after that.

 

I absolutely agree with you. Harold Johnson was a great fighter. One of my favourites. A true pro. I certainly hold nothing against him for being a lightheavyweight good enough to beat 190lb heavyweights.

But we both know that’s not good enough for the size queens incorrectly boosting Cleveland Williams as an uncrowned heavyweight champion in the absence of actual logic to support this view.

They usually sneer at the notion of former lightheavyweights being good enough to beat 190 pound heavyweights. Surely a powerhouse like Williams should do better (not worse) against Machen than Harold had?