Please Stop It! There is No Blue Print.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BewareofDawg, Mar 26, 2008.


  1. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Explain to me how. Castillo can lose the first 5 rounds. Have a point deduction and 2 either way rounds and still win? Just bc Castillo did better on the championship rounds does not mean he should have won. each round worth the same, in case you forgot.
     
  2. Sebastien

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    A fighter with a good jab can do it. Thing is, Floyd is very good at making you believe that what you are doing isn't working. Most fighters do not realize that they're putting May in a position he doesn't like, so they change their plan. To beat Floyd you need a simple plan that will make him take risks, you got to out-bore him!

    If Hoya had been as willing than Floyd to make it a boring fight he could've won this.
     
  3. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Big guy with iron chin, stamina, with a big big one punch power is the blue printer. I just don't see anyone outboxing Floyd from 154 and down.
     
  4. TroubleLurks

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    This is such a myth. Watch the fight again. Oscar stopped jabbing after the 8th round. Sure, he got countered on occasion, but certainly not enough to stop throwing it all together. Oscar may have been slowing down and stopped throwing it for fear of being countered, but up to that point, he was not being countered often off his jab.
     
  5. David_TheMan

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    yes he was, the jab was not working and he did not win those early rounds. He was not dominating or even looking good. Floyd was picking off the jabs, rolling them, and dodging them while countering.
     
  6. Sebastien

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    His jab to the shoulder area was annoying May a lot.

    Hoya's biggest mistake was to get impatient, to try to give the fans a good fight. That's a noble thing to do, but against Mayweather it is a mistake. Mayweather, like Bernard, focuses on winning fights, not pleasing crowds who don't appreciate skills anyway.
     
  7. TroubleLurks

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    No he wasn't and the jab was Oscar's best weapon. Like I said, Oscar was getting countered on occasion, but no where near enough to justify putting it in the holster. I don't know what you're talking about either, after the 8th, that fight was dead even, 4 rds a piece. Oscar stopped using his jab after the 8th and Floyd took over the fight from there on.
     
  8. Pimp C

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    Good post except for this. Fraudarito wouldn't win a single round against PBF. That limited plodder doesn't have the footwork, handspeed or boxing IQ in order to beat someone like PBF. Not to mention he's counter-puncher's wet dream and has to set his feet to throw. PBF-Margo would be a boxing clinic administered by PBF.:deal
     
  9. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    I honestly believe Gatti has more boxing skills then Margarito.
     
  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    :deal
     
  11. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    My card had Oscar winning the 1 and the 3 and that is it. When I was watching the fight the jab from Oscar was ineffective just like in that Sturm fight. The guy was getting picked apart and by the time the 8th rolled along he was scared, sore, and tired.
     
  12. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Really Pimp? There is absolutely no way that is true. Find me one moment in that fight where Oscar got hit with a 3 punch counter. Even a 3 punch combination. Youtube doesn't have this fight, or I would do a round by round thread. Post one round a day and thats all to be discussed in that thread for that day. Then after 12 days go back and really evaluate all the analysis. I guaruntee it would be universally agreed that NEITHER fighter was really landing that many clean punches or counters :deal
     
  13. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    :clap:
    For the life of me I can't understand why people refuse to see this.:-( I've said the same thing many times but they just don't get it. For the last time Oscar stopped throwing his jab because he was being counterd off it and bothered by PBF's movement.:deal
     
  14. boxeo#1

    boxeo#1 Boxer-Puncher banned

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    I agree. But there is something in the middle as well. By that I mean that a certain fighter can show which tactic works good against a fighter and in that way can show their weakness.
    So a blueprint kind of exists.
    Take for example DLH on trinidad. Dlh showed that if you move well and boxed tito, tito can't set up his punches good.
    So it kind of exists wether you like it or not.
    However I agree that a fighter develops and changes his tactics/strategy. But not all fighters do, take tito as an example.
     
  15. Pimp C

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    Gatti is light years more skilled than that windmill Margo.:D