please stop saying he is an all time great

Pac did 8th best against Mayweather. What that says is Floyd's previous opponents are better than Pac. In fact, I would give them the nod if they were to fight a RBT Balcquiao. This is the first time we've seen Balcquiao actually take tests, heck he was providing selfies. He didn't do that in Macao that's for sure.

 

Did worse than Maidana. Despite clearly being a much better fighter, with one arm, it's difficult to out-perform a two handed fighter. But he did as good as Cotto and definitely better than Guerrero. Shows his level is right there with Floyd. On an even playing field I think he takes it.

Rematch would be nice, since I don't see anything much better on the horizon but doubtful it happens.

 

:|:|:| Excusequiao only had one-arm. :|:|:|:| 118-110 :deal

 

You can't grade an entire career on one fight, especially when that fight is against the P4P fighter of that era.

Also, the Pac that fought Floyd is not the same as the Pac who should have fought Floyd five years ago. The fight was a con from the moment the contracts where signed.

Pac was awful against Floyd, but to rewrite the history books after his fight against Floyd is ridiculous. If someone is seen as an ATG going into a fight, you can't change that rating after they lose to the best. How does Floyd beating him change what he done to Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Hatton, ODLH, Cotto, Margarito, etc?

 

Just because you fight faded names doesn't mean anything. Garcia KTFO Morales 2X! Pac waited on the sidelines, while taking PEDs with Fortune, then when these guys had a huge loss Pac stepped up to fight.

 

Markq - Pac did 8th best against Floyd therefore those fighter's are better than Pac? Sorry, mate, but boxing doesn't work that way. Styles, how far into a career when a fight takes place, injuries, quality of training camp, etc, these all play a part in what happens in a fight. These are the intangibles that go along with the more obvious - a fighters ability.

I am sorry, but these are not just boxing, but sporting basics.

A does great against B and C does fairly well against B does not necessarily mean that A is greater than C.

 

Funny how everyone was saying Pac had the style to beat Floyd and idiots beleived it to the tune of 4M views. I'm not buying it. I don't think a RBT Pac is that good. He's like Lance Armstrong, good but not great when he's clean. Pac is Guerrero level when he does RBT.

 

You can claim Pac is or was on PED's all you want, but until we get proof, it is a none starter.

People who said Pac had the style to beat Floyd this year clearly didn't know what they where seeing when they saw Pac fight over the previous few years. Also, most of those 4m PPV buys where casual fans. I wouldn't trust a casual fan to be able to spell Pacquiao let alone be able to objectively or accurately predict a fight.

 

PAC is an ATG..

 

Pac is great in this era. All time, NO! How can you be worried about your health in the fight of the century when you claim to be an ATG? You're supposed to leave it all in the ring. Excusequiao was a big disappointment and a big wussy. :| my shoulder :| he didn't stay there so I can throw many punches :| i didn't get my usual shot of Toradol :| i can't read so Koncz has to fill out the questoinairre :|

 

Mayweather's legs aren't shot. They aren't what they where, but they are far from shot. RJJ after the Ruiz fight - that is shot legs. Floyd was more mobile in this fight than he was in the Maidana fights and some others pre-dating them.

Also, Pac, whilst not as old as Floyd, has arguably declined more than Floyd. Look at their styles. Since moving up to WW and above Floyd has been a guy that still largely uses his feet and judges and uses distance well to dictate fights. He is still doing that today. Not as good as years past, but still well enough to win all of his fights by relatively wide margins.

Pac on the other hand has noticeably changed his style over the past five years to accommodate his aging body.

A noticeably declined Pac getting beat by a less so declined Mayweather does not diminish Pac's pre-Mayweather legacy, not if you are looking at it objectively and historically (i.e. a post peak Frazier losing to a post peak Ali in their third bout does not diminish Frazier's standing).

All's this "mega fight" told us is that in 2015 Mayweather is noticeably better than Pac. It does not tell us who was better, head-to-head, in their peaks at WW and it does not greatly diminish Pac's all time standing in the sport. Yes, it may take a dint, but, to have Pac not as an ATG based on that one fight, when you consider the context of the fight, is utterly nonsense.

 

pac is still higher on the atg list than floyd. floyd never showed dominance on a faded past prime pac while having all the advantages, he fought scared. fight of the century did not change their atg standing. floyd fans think he fought on even playing field and dominated when they discuss his wins when he is just scoring points until the final bell with lots of hugs and runs.

 

I don't want to hear this **** now. Before the fight it was PBF who had declined more. Look at the way PBF struggled with Maidana, he's not the same fighter anymore if Maidana can do that to PBF Pac will overwhelm him and blitz him with speed and angles that's all we heard. Whereas Pac had beaten Bradley and Chris and looked as good as ever.

Lastly, it does tell you who's better only a damn delusional fool would think the 2009 version of Pac beats the 2009 version of PBF. PBF was still the favorite back then and was still the favorite in 2015 ain't **** changed. Pac was never going to beat PBF period. You don't go life and death with JMM for 4 fights and beat PBF.:deal You can't beat PBF if you can only fight at one range with no jab can't cut the ring and can't make adjustments.:deal I tried telling you people that for years so did most boxers and trainers but you wishful thinkers wouldn't listen.

 

lol

 

Says who? Not according to The Ring and other boxing historians he's not. You think people are going to take the word of a PBF hating Pac**** who doesn't know **** about the sport or magazines like the Ring and other boxers and historians.:rofl

Pac looked like **** he's a limited and flawed fighter don't get mad at me that you thought a guy who can't make adjustments and only fights at one range could beat a master like PBF. PBF is past his best and still gave Pac that work if the fight had happened in 2010 it would have been even worse for Pac because he was way more reckless back then.