POLL - AJ vs Andy Ruiz 2 Rematch, Who will win?

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Who will win the rematch between AJ and Andy Ruiz Jr?

Poll closed Dec 7, 2019.
  1. AJ by KO

    47 vote(s)
    32.9%
  2. AJ by decision

    32 vote(s)
    22.4%
  3. Ruiz by KO

    63 vote(s)
    44.1%
  4. Ruiz by decision

    1 vote(s)
    0.7%
  1. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Did you actually watch the first fight? Did you see the skill, speed, power, ring IQ, resilience displayed by Ruiz?

    He wouldn't have all those qualities if he didn't have discipline, ambition, dedication and so on and so on..


    Let's just imagine what you say is true.. AJ the muscle rippling mountain got smacked around and embarrassed by a little fat bloke who doesn't train a lick.

    So you want a Fraud as Heavyweigth world champion?

    AJ was beaten up, he had the fight beaten out of him, he basically quit, but having him the world champion, a quitter is better for boxing because simply Ruiz isn't ripped?

    Are you telling me having what would he essentially a fraud, a shell of a fighter that is pleasing on the eyes is better for boxing than somebody who can actually fight, the man who actually bashed AJ senseless?

    This isn't WWE my friend, it's boxing, it's a fight, how a fighter looks should be the last thing to concern anybody, you should be going through a list of qualities before asking if somebody looks right.


    Another thing, by your logic Fury would be a worse world champion than AJ, Fury isn't ripped, says he would tell a Sports Scientist to go away and have a coffee and chocolate bar because it's all cobblers.

    Even though Fury had the nuts the fight Wilder in his own backyard, Fury went to Germany and schooled Klitschko unlike AJ who went life or death with Wlad in his own backyard..

    But hey, let's just have AJ, forget the rest, AJ looks great, says the right things, makes boxing look a little better?


    Also the PPV side of things, it would be better for British boxing FANS in my opinion if AJ lost and Sky Sports had to rethink its PPV increases and making every remotely half decent fight PPV.

    Whytes last PPV bombed, so did Luke Campbell's, they keep getting away with it with AJ because of those belts and the constant BS that AJ is some sort of mix between Tyson, Ali, Larry Holmes and the rest.

    The hype and BS surrounding AJ has been and still is ridiculous, just by sticking him in short white shorts and a long white gown doesn't make him Ali, it's embarrassing.

    If AJ wins fairly and squarely Saturday night, I'll tip my hat to him, praise him for turning it around, I'm not anti AJ but I'm feeling anti Hearn, Matchroom, Sky and the BS they are feeding the British fight fans and the rest of the world.



    Soooooo, in conclusion, I still maintain, regardless of his body shape, Ruiz winning is better for British Boxing fans and World boxing fans.
     
  2. Scissors

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    Joshua via KTFO. To the point where I don’t think we will see Ruiz in a ring again.
     
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  3. N17

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    I respect your opinion Mr S, need to ask you something..

    We saw Ruiz take a big huge powerful AJ's best shots, the combination to put Ruiz down was brilliant, Ruiz got straight up and looked steady and after getting up Ruiz walked straight in to a huge right hand.

    Ruiz ate all those punches, walked through them, so what will be different this time where Ruiz gets KTFO?
     
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  4. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Joshua takes care of business this time. I'm thinking rounds 9-10

    First fight was legit and not a fluke but now he's had full camp to prepare for Ruiz, not a late opponent after Miller failed tests.
     
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  5. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Joshua by robbery most likely.
     
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  6. Scissors

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    I thought Joshua was slow and sluggish because he had piled on weight in anticipation for a big 300lb bear leaning on him. Joshua didn’t have a camp preparing for Ruiz (and likewise).
    When Joshua and McCracken have had time to prepare for their opponents they’ve got it spot on. Look at the adjustments made for the Parker fight for example.

    Don’t get me wrong I wouldn’t be shocked if Ruiz stops him again but if you want my gut feeling without sitting on the fence it’s Joshua via KO
     
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  7. N17

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    Yeah, great points, Ruiz and Miller are two completely different types and I understand exactly what you mean.

    One thing I think is happening is people are talking like AJ will be drastically improved and Ruiz will be pretty much the same.

    People are mentally imagining how to beat Ruiz from the first fight, I do understand that.

    Ruiz did have a fight pretty close to AJ but he only had 5 weeks to prepare for AJ, he was a late choice, he didn't have time to prepare with sparring partners to replicate AJ.

    I'm expecting Ruiz to brush up on a few things, slip the jab more, attack the body far more and earlier because AJ will be holding that right hand a lot higher and leaving his body open to that left hook.

    Also the mental side, which I think is HUGE.

    AJ was dropped 4 times, AJ may very well be gunshy, Ruiz will be full of confidence and buzzing, it's said some fighters improve by 10-20% when they finally win a world title,

    If AJ doesn't start well, if Ruiz lands anything of significance early which I think is very possible, I honestly believe AJ will just crumble.
     
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  8. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Im giving AJ the benefit of the doubt regarding the 1st fight, i believe hes alot better than that and am hoping he shows it in the rematch. But even though im an AJ fan i know hes a flawed fighter and fighters with the dimensions of Ruiz are really not Joshua's cup of tea. Ive gone for AJ KO but i am more hopeful than i am convinced.
     
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  9. Serge

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    THE RING MAGAZINE

    TOM GRAY: RUIZ TKO 9
    I’m picking Ruiz to repeat but without any real confidence. Joshua is a chilling puncher and he’s had him off his feet before, so it stands to reason that he can do it again. The thing is, Joshua couldn’t keep Ruiz hurt. Immediately after the knockdown, the colossal Brit landed a massive right hand, flush on the jaw, and Ruiz didn’t blink. Joshua will take far less chances this time, and he’ll look to keep it long, but I doubt the new champion will stand for being picked apart for 12 rounds. Ruiz has quick feet for a big man, he’s great at closing the gap, and he’s committed to his assaults. And once Ruiz gets into punching range, his hand speed and combinations are vastly superior. I hope I’m wrong, but I think Ruiz has Joshua’s number.

    ANSON WAINWRIGHT: JOSHUA UD
    Fascinating match up, so many intangibles. I could easily see a scenario where either man wins. I’m particularly intrigued to see if Ruiz is capable of repeating the first win or if it was a one off. I wouldn’t go as far as to say Joshua’s career is on the line, but another loss would hurt him severely in terms as his legacy and also at the box office. I think Joshua will try to use his eight-inch reach advantage and will have success with that, but can he hold off Ruiz who in the last fight walked through fire to catch Joshua. Both know they can hurt each other and I think that may lead to a more tepid fight than the first one. If that’s the case Joshua wins a points decision, I say that with no conviction though.

    LEE GROVES: JOSHUA UD
    Both men will benefit from having a full training cycle in which each is focused on the other, and, because of that, I believe both men will be primed. But although Ruiz went on to score one of the biggest upsets in heavyweight championship history, I believe the result came about only because Joshua was too reckless in chasing the KO after flooring Ruiz with a hook in Round 3. Once Ruiz realized he could hurt (and floor) Joshua, the downward spiral was too hard for Joshua to reverse. Up until that moment, however, the fight held to form and Joshua showed that he had the power to floor the iron-chinned Ruiz. That power is still there for Joshua, and Ruiz won’t have the element of surprise this time. I do think that Joshua will heed the advice to work behind his jab, not only to score points but also to keep Ruiz — and his power — at arm’s length from his shaky chin. I believe he will learn from Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko and execute a similar blueprint: Jab frequently, lock on a clinch whenever Ruiz closes the gap, wait for the referee to break them, land enough power shots to make Ruiz think twice about barreling in, and repeat the cycle. Ruiz, who hasn’t been a ball of fire when it comes to output lately, will be left frustrated, and so will the fans, who I think will bear witness to a low-output unanimous decision victory for Joshua.

    MICHAEL WOODS: RUIZ TKO
    Maybe fighting in America was a jinx to AJ, maybe not being in his preferred place, and following familiar routines, hurt him. Maybe he came into the bout out of sorts because he’d taken punishment during camp that sapped him. Boxing is THE SPORT of maybes, and conjecturing is much of the fun of prognosticating. History says that once a guy has your number, usually, he keeps that number tucked in his pocket. Ruiz SEEMS to be dialed in, but TBH, his ascent to stardom could take the most mentally strong beings just enough off track to end the rocket ride. AJ will want to box smart, all 12, and get the UD, while not getting that chin checked and again wrecked. Unless he lands that kill shot on Ruiz, and stranger things than that have happened in the fight game, I’m going to say history repeats – Ruiz has AJ’s number again.

    MICHAEL MONTERO: JOSHUA UD
    I like Joshua to turn the tide this time around. He’ll fight safely behind his jab, as he should’ve done in the fight bout, and win a unanimous decision on the cards. Within months of this rematch, the titles will be broken up. Expect (Aleksandr) Uysk to fight for the vacant WBO title next spring/summer.

    NORM FRAUENHEIM: JOSHUA TKO 8
    The temptation is to pick Andy Ruiz Jr. in an encore of a great story. But he caught an unprepared Joshua by surprise in the June 1 stunner. That surprise is gone. Joshua knows about his fast hands. Knows about his resiliency. He also knows that Ruiz will get up from a knockdown and has proven to be at his best after he does. Expect another early knockdown of Ruiz, who was down in the third round at Madison Square Garden. Joshua won’t let him off the hook this time. Maybe, an early concussion took Joshua out of the fight in New York. Maybe, he just got lazy. Whatever the reason, he knows to remain vigilant through every second of every round in Saudi Arabia. If he doesn’t, he might as well look for another line of work. But that won’t happen. Joshua might not be the world’s next great heavyweight, but he’s a good one, good enough to win the rematch.

    GARETH A. DAVIES: JOSHUA KO 9
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    It will depend on how Joshua fights and keeping a strong mindset. If, as conventional wisdom suggests, AJ keeps it long, and uses a strong jab, his height and reach advantages, the dunes could bring good tunes for the Briton. But he will have to keep his nerve, and stick to the plan. There will be psychological issues to overcome from the first fight. Floyd Patterson came back to do it after being knocked down seven times by Ingemar Johansson. But this remains a very intriguing fight. Joshua on points, or late stoppage. But if he gets into a firefight early, it’s 60/40 Ruiz.

    BOXING INSIDERS

    PAULIE MALIGNAGGI (FORMER TWO-DIVISION TITLEHOLDER/ TV ANALYST, SHOWTIME): JOSHUA KO
    I see a meaner Joshua with a chip on his shoulder anxious to prove that writing him off was a mistake. I see him better prepared for situations where the fight reaches uncomfortable moments. I see both guys bringing out the best in each other because now both guys know how tough this could be and what is on the line. And most importantly both guys now realize how dangerous the other can be, so they both come in with an edge to their mental game. Joshua by KO.

    VADIM KORNILOV (MANAGER): JOSHUA TKO
    I believe that Joshua had something that affected him in the previous fight, or in the training camp. He also became over-confident after he knocked Ruiz down. This time he will be a lot more careful, avoid unnecessary risks and win the fight. I think Joshua will be a lot more focused this time. Joshua win by stoppage.

    NISSE SAUERLAND (PROMOTER, SAUERLAND EVENT): JOSHUA KO
    Ruiz walked into the last fight with no pressure. This time it’s a different story and it will be interesting to see how he deals with it. I also think AJ moving the final week of camp to Saudi was a good move to get away from any distractions. I think AJ will KO Ruiz this time.

    KALLE SAUERLAND (PROMOTER, SAUERLAND EVENT): RUIZ KO
    I’m going to pick Ruiz, simply because I believe the time is too short for Joshua to make the adjustments that are required. There are big adjustments required after the first fight, and I think to go straight into the rematch could be a mistake. Joshua of course has that big puncher’s chance. But I just think that Ruiz, if it all goes according to plan, will have the method to beat him like he did in June. We’re only six months later and it was, in the end, quite a convincing victory at Madison Square Garden. I’m going with Ruiz on this one.
     
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  10. Serge

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    ALEX STEEDMAN (COMMENTATOR): JOSHUA PTS
    Maybe Joshua was over-confident, PR exhausted and demotivated last time; maybe Ruiz was too quick, too tough and way better than many thought. Maybe AJ had ridden red carpet through a capsized Heavyweight division, masking all his frailties along the way. Maybe Ruiz will always be kryptonite to the big fella. Maybe the pair swapped boots at the same time as they did all those belts and the land of the giants turns on its head once more. Maybe AJ is much, much better this time and maybe Andy is too. Maybe I wouldn’t want to walk the plank on the outcome of this one. My hunch is we see a repeat of the Parker fight, though Ruiz will gamble if he can. If Joshua stands tall and positively behind the jab, then that might be that. Nobody will be adding it to the DVD collection but Joshua won’t and shouldn’t care. I’d say he learned that and other lessons in New York. Joshua by decision.

    DUKE MCKENZIE (FORMER THREE-DIVISION TITLEHOLDER/TV ANALYST): RUIZ TKO
    Ruiz vs. Joshua is the rematch everyone and his uncle are talking about. Will Joshua be able to block out the mental scar of his first and only defeat? Has he had time to learn how to roll with the punches? I doubt it! Should he have had a warmup fight first? Ruiz is in a win-win situation. I think Ruiz wins again inside the distance. You cannot put muscles on your temple or the back of your head and that’s where AJ’s problem is.

    OSWALDO KULCHE (PROMOTER, PROMOCIONES DEL PUEBLO): JOSHUA TKO
    It will be a good fight. Ruiz could rock Joshua at the beginning, but I think Joshua wins. Ruiz runs out of gas. Joshua TKO 10.

    LAMON BREWSTER (FORMER WBO HEAVYWEIGHT TITLEHOLDER): RUIZ TKO 9
    I just believe they’re fighting for two different reasons. One is fighting to prove he’s not a paper champion that has a questionable chin. The other is fighting to represent his entire country as the first heavyweight champion of Mexican descent. A guy that didn’t win a gold medal, but still fought his way to the top to become a world champion, and now he’s gonna fight with the pride of Mexico to retain it. Remember, styles make fights. I believe Anthony Joshua has the wrong style to beat Ruiz.

    JOHN SCULLY (EX-FIGHTER/TRAINER): JOSHUA PTS
    I was originally picking Ruiz to do a repeat job, but I think losing all that weight might actually have a negative effect on him. He won’t be used to carrying it that low. If I had the bet, I would go with Joshua on a 12-round decision.

    STEPHEN EDWARDS (TRAINER): RUIZ KO
    I don’t know who wins this fight. I believe if Joshua fights long and not tall, he can win. But I don’t know if he realizes the difference. Ruiz didn’t land a lucky shot. He was actually landing a hard jab to Joshua’s chest, and Ruiz controlled the center of the ring. My guess is Ruiz by late KO, but it’s really anyone’s fight.

    CAMILLE ESTEPHAN (PROMOTER, EYE OF THE TIGER): RUIZ KO
    Styles makes fights, and I believe that in the short time span for Anthony Joshua to adjust and adapt to the hand speed and footwork of Andy is a tall task. That is why I believe it will be a repeat KO win for Ruiz.

    WAYNE MCCULLOUGH (FORMER BANTAMWEIGHT TITLEHOLDER/TRAINER): RUIZ TKO
    I think Ruiz wins again unless Joshua makes an adjustment from last fight, which he desperately needs to do. Ruiz will have more confidence so may leave himself open. Joshua has got to keep his hands up and block the looping shots that hurt him the last time. If he doesn’t, then Ruiz will get the stoppage around four or five rounds. If Joshua gets the win then the third fight is on.

    JOLENE MIZZONE (MATCHMAKER, MAIN EVENTS): JOSHUA PTS
    I think Joshua is going to do things right this time and feel much more comfortable in there. I think Ruiz has gotten too comfortable from when he won. Great thing is, this is heavyweight boxing so one punch can end it all. Joshua by decision.

    RONNIE SHIELDS (TRAINER): RUIZ KO 11
    Joshua will box more. I think Ruiz will pressure him and finally KO him in Round 11.

    MARIO ABRAHAM (MANAGER): RUIZ KO
    Wow, this is a hard one to predict. I think the first guy who hits the opponent hard will win. It is definitely going to end in a KO. As a Mexican I want Ruiz to win but it could go either way. I say Ruiz by KO.

    Final Tally: Joshua 12-10
     
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  11. KernowWarrior

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    AJ will be the Klitschko brother they did not know they had, using their tactics till an opening occurs to unleash a bomb, if necessary using his height to spoil for a points win.

    If he decides to go toe to toe with Ruiz then AJ will find that speed kills and he will lose again.

    I do think however AJ will ko Ruiz, he has returned to drawing board, lessons learned and game plan formulated.
     
  12. Reppin501

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    I think AJ stops him.
     
  13. kdyehs

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    Very funny. Fat guys ain't gonna root for a fighter because he is fat too. You can be fat and enjoy an athlete who takes boxing seriously. Ruiz is the story of an upset, nothing else.
     
  14. TSoprano

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    Fix the title son, it's Ruiz vs Joshua II and not the other way around.

    Ruiz TKO9 Joshua
     
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  15. LeeD1982

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    Problem with this is AJ's never shown the ability to do that.

    Wlad had a ramrod of a jab and could dictate the fight all night using little but that. I've not seen AJ do that. I think the best AJ has managed distance with is the Povetkin fight, but even that took time, a broken nose, and for Povetkin to begin to gas.

    AJ's MO is to land a few rangy shots then move in for the kill with 3 or 4 consecutive power punches. It's a very effective solution given his size, power, athleticism etc, but it's also kind of simple, and whilst its simplicity has made it effective to date, it's a formula that can be cracked by certain styles of fighter.

    AJ's ideal opponent is … well … someone like Dom Breazeale. Large, static, without huge power of his own … just begging to be moved in on. Sure it took 8 rounds of whatever but it was an easy, risk-free night's work.

    A quick-handed counter-puncher with a good chin takes him outside of his established method completely. It's the reason he boxed safe against Parker (who himself mistakenly reciprocated), and the reason a younger Povetkin would have caused real problems. It's the reason Whyte caused problems and would be even more difficult today.

    In summary I'd say AJ is the best heavyweight of his type*. That established formula, in particular, he rocks at. But there's styles outside that formula that can ruin him.


    *Wilder is a different kettle of fish