Poll - Clear and obvious staged fight and dive.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by 305th, Nov 2, 2019.


Did Kovalev take a dive?

  1. Yes

    103 vote(s)
    37.7%
  2. No

    170 vote(s)
    62.3%
  1. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    What I don't get is, it was like Kovalev was fighting Mike Tyson. Canelo has decent power but come on, this was at LHW. Kovalev was flicking a weak ass jab and never threw his right hand with conviction. I did think it looked fixed. But then there's the KO, which looked real. At least punches landed, but it kind of looked dramatized, by everyone, including the ref and the production.
     
  2. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    "muh feelings say"...ya no..go have your palm read or something
     
  3. truth_teller

    truth_teller Member banned Full Member

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    Can't be explained any better than this. 100 % dive.
     
  4. markclow

    markclow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no dive. kov was holding back not to get countered.

    Canelo wisely picked a semi-shot Kovalev.
     
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  5. 3rdegree

    3rdegree Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    At no point did Kovalev throw punches with conviction. I don't think he landed a single meaningful punch. It's in stark contrast to the way he typically fights.
     
  6. elbonzoseco

    elbonzoseco Member Full Member

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    It wasn't a fix, Kovalev knew he didn't have enough time to be in shape for this. He just thought he could steal a win with his jab alone. His punch resistance is totally gone when he is tired, I think his team knew that. So you could say, he willingly conceded a better chance to win for a paycheck. But I guess that happens all the time
     
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  7. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    He obviously didn't take a dive, look at the slow mo, Canelo hits him right side of the jaw and he gets jelly legged instantly, you can't fake that and if you can, Kovalev should be winning Oscars for that performance. The thing that made the fight end so quickly was that Kovalev got hit with another hard shot straight away after getting hurt.
     
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  8. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Exactly, Kovalev was all but hiding behind the referee, standing on his stool lifting his skirt up, yelling "Help me! Help me! He's a monster!"
     
  9. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    .....has to be...I mean when the 3 Muskateers have still not posted here in order to get the script written &
    learnt correctly....Shadow will whip em into shape ...even though one has a heavy BOOt to carry lol
     
  10. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    What I expected to see:
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    What I saw:
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  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    You'd have to be a complete idiot to take a dive late in a close fight.
     
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  12. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The shortened break between fights for an already declining fighter who had been badly hurt in his last outing is all the advantage Canelo needed
     
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  13. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Kovalev: Time for me to get hit in the face and knocked out. WALKS INTO PUNCH.
    Fans around the World: You can't fake that!

    Yes, he really did get hit by a punch, but did he let himself get hit by it and did he overreact to it's effect? Nobody is saying he didn't get hit. They are saying maybe he was supposed to. The conspiracy isn't that this was a phantom punch like Ali and Liston did. The feeling is that everything leading up to it was pretense and then there was an agreement that the first decent looking punch Kovalev took in the eleventh round he was supposed to go down and not even try to get up.

    As for, "you can't fake that", please. I'm sure any professional boxer has been wobbled or knocked down and has knocked other people down enough to know what that's supposed to look like. I want to post that clip of Joe Pesci in Raging Bull showing LaMotta how easy it is to fall down, but I can't find it.
     
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  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He was fighting the best body puncher in the game and folded the last time a middling puncher went to his body.
     
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  15. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    https://www.predictem.com/boxing/over-under-bets-in-boxing-explained/
    "In an over-under bet, you are merely predicting if a fight will last shorter or longer than the number of rounds posted by the sportsbook. You are not picking the winner. Who wins the fight is irrelevant in over-under betting. Over-under bets are the second most popular boxing wagers next to picking a fighter to win."
    https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/canelo-kovalev-betting-odds
    Canelo Alvarez by Decision -110
    Canelo Alvarez by KO, TKO or DQ +180

    Unless you have a lot of money riding on a Canelo KO in the late rounds. This is also why Floyd Mayweather Jr didn't knock out Connor McGregor until the tenth round.
     
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