Poll: How good was Primo Carnera?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by reznick, May 24, 2017.


How good was he?

  1. He was a fraud bum.

    7 vote(s)
    7.8%

  2. He was a fraud journeyman

    15 vote(s)
    16.7%

  3. He was a good fighter

    59 vote(s)
    65.6%

  4. He was an ATG

    3 vote(s)
    3.3%

  5. He was an elite great

    6 vote(s)
    6.7%
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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I know that Muhammad Ali often mentioned Gene Tunney in particular for speaking out against the way Ali fought and how he would have fared in the old days.

    I think Firpo obviously had raw talent.
     
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  2. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    That is the short & sweet of it, yet the 3 convienently ignore that statistic.
     
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  3. Fergy

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    I think we should now have a poll on gorrila v man.. Just to even things up a little?
     
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  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    It would certainly put Tunney into perspective..
     
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  5. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    "He was terrible" - Bert Sugar on Klitschko.

    Where would Wlads legacy be if he lost his belt after two defenses? I bet it would look way worse than most two time defending champs. It took people an awful long time to come around to him.
     
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  6. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why not? If you are unable to adequately address the words of the man, attack the man instead. Seems to be your standard response for just about every source you don't like the look of.
     
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  7. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    No I think he problem is that you guys are cherry picking the Tunney quote in a vacuum. You are ignoring the countering testimonials from very credible people. And you are taking it at face value, when Tunney is known to have some extreme views.

    Since when was Tunneys testimonial a crown jewel that you guys make it out to be? Since he had one quote that aligned with your stance?

    Schmelings is clearly a more sober and level review without the extremes.

    Louis often talked about having an easy time with tough opponents because he was so damn good. Nonetheless he ranked Carnera as one of his best wins, did he not? He also said Carnera's guard was hard to get under, presumably why he didn't KO the 'fraud' in 30 seconds.

    Leonard spent time in his camp, so you can say his quote could be skewed.

    Jeffries, who had no dog in the fight, picked Carnera to beat Baer because of his reach and defense.

    Sharkey said Primo handled him with ease.
     
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  8. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Tunney said Carnera wasn't good against Baer. It's stating the obvious really.
     
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  9. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually, Tunney was confirming comments he'd made prior to the Carnera/Baer fight
     
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  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    And the underlying tone from the detractors is that losing to Max Baer is some kind of embarrassment.
     
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  11. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    What's so damning about predicting Baer to stop Carnera?
     
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  12. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I haven't seen the pre-fight comments.
     
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  13. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Tunney also picked Primo to beat Loughran. Is that embarrassing for Loughran?

    The reply will most certainly be about size, but I thought 30's SHWs didn't know how to use their size?

    At least that's the argument offered when you compare them to today's fighters, right?
     
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  14. Legend X

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    Carnera was expected to defeat Loughran and his performance in doing so was met with bad reviews all round really. That's not a lot different from how Joe Louis's first defence against Tommy Farr was viewed though, to be fair.
     
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  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    World level would not be analogous in different eras, then.
     
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