Lol are you really going to mention that Neusal beat Schmeling in a “rematch” and not mention the fight took place after Max had a 9 year layoff and fought in WW2. Shoehorning this info into your post without context undermines your credibility
It's really just a handful of oddballs. Most of the forum sees Carnera for what he so obviously was: https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...fighter-primo-carnera-or-riddick-bowe.585492/
You are assuming that it is revisionism. A lot of people rated Carnera very highly while he was active. The problem is that the sensationalism of hacks like Gallico, has proved more enduring than the opinions of fighters like Benny Leonard and Max Schmeling.
You are very fond of cherry picking. If we are going to try Canera based on Louis's testimony, lets at least quote it in its entirety! Louis produced two lists of his best opponents, both of them had Carnera on them, and I think that one had him above Walcott!
Gallico saw Carnera from his early fights in the Salle Wagram in France ,through his tour of the tank towns up to his championship days.He also had conversations with Broadway Billy Duffy ,Carnera's "front of house manager,"[ he was actually owned by Owney Madden and Big Frenchy Demange of the Detroit Purple Gang,] Gallico also sparred with Jack Dempsey.He had forgotten more about boxing, and Carnera in particular than you will ever learn. Calling him a hack because he had no illusions about Carnera is one of,if not the cheapest shots you will ever make on this forum . "Born of immigrant parents—his father was a concert pianist—Paul William Gallico (GAL-ih-koh) turned from a musical career to work his way through Columbia University as a longshoreman, gym instructor, and translator. He served as a gunner in World War I and as a war correspondent for magazines in World War II. He lived much of his life in England, Mexico, Liechtenstein, Paris, and Monaco but retained his American citizenship and considered himself an American writer. Sports dominated his life. From a position as a film reviewer with the National Board of Motion Picture Review, he moved to covering sports for the New York Daily News (1924-1936), where he became a respected sports editor, columnist, and, finally, assistant managing editor. His investigative reporting of abuses in sports led to reforms, and he began the Golden Gloves boxing tournament for matched amateurs. A big man and an athlete himself, Gallico climbed into the ring with Jack Dempsey once and was knocked out after two minutes. This led to his challenging other sport professionals—Dizzy Dean and Johnny Weismuller among them—in three dozen different sports. He raced cars, boats, and airplanes. His tribute to baseball came in his biography of Lou Gehrig, which he transformed into the screenplay Pride of the Yankees. The film received an Academy Award nomination in 1942. His lifelong love of sports continued even into his seventies, when he was the fencing master to the French army." BTW Gallico's Father was Italian.
I'm very fond of the truth.You like to sidestep it when it doesn't suit your narrative. The best Louis said of Carnera was that he had a fair jab which he pushed.He also said he had nothing .Yes or No?
lol! Walcott was one of Louis`s best opponents and was better than Carnera in every department, you guys are so obsessed with size now.
My point is that Carnea does always seem to get a place in Louis's lists of his best opponents. The constants are that Conn is always #1, and Baer #2, but Carnera is always in there somewhere!
No, you have done precisely that, which is a damn shame. "One of those occurred in November of 1930 against the mob-controlled behemoth, Primo Carnera. Stribling lost by disqualification but then won the rematch less than three weeks later in the same fashion. Both matches are thought to be fixed."
I must have missed it in the thread but what exactly did Benny Leonard say about Carnera? It is a long time since i've read up about Carnera but that seems a dubious claim that he was rated very highly at the time. My general view of him was that he was plucked from the circus as his size might make him a success in boxing and also help draw a crowd. He was then taught basic skills and showed little talent so his manager had to bribe opponents to take a dive. Then he comes to the US, starts to be handled by gangsters there and is matched very softly and in time develops a bit as a fighter, he learns to use his size and reach more effectively and then with a dose of luck, clever matchmaking, and a terrible era for heavyweights finds himself the heavyweight champ before getting smashed to bits by Baer and Louis.
