Poll: Is Roy Jones a top 10 all time great lighheavyweight?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mr. magoo, Mar 17, 2009.


  1. Sweet Pea

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    I'm beginning to see the Archie Moore supporter's side of the debate in regards to a matchup with Roy Jones the more I think about it after viewing more of him.
     
  2. Rui

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    Dick Tiger?

    Did he do anything of note at 175 besides having a couple of close wins over Torres?
     
  3. teeto

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    What you are saying about those guys being above him Pea is quite right, that's why im agreeing with McGrain's post. I do think its not outrageous to have Jones in there, not at all to be honest, its subjective as you know. But by that same token every man you mentioned has right to be above him, subjective like i say. Jones is far from locked here.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

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    Or Spinks may look even more uncoordinated than he usually did, be kept off balance, beaten to the punch, outsped, outtimed, out moved and Ud'ed

    Spinks has a puncher's chance and may well win by KO, but hes not outboxing Jones
     
  5. Stonehands89

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    ...Always good to see a mind that can change.

    I would lean towards Archie, although Jones' power is shocking and could cancel out all that Mongoose skill and power and experience. Another thing, and this may be critical: Jones's style was similar to Burley's. Burley was technically sound, but relied on unorthodoxy and power... as does Jones, though he was less of a technician. The big difference between the two is the willingness to take risks -in and out of the ring. Burley was more than willing, Jones was less than willing. If Jones tries to potshot from safe distances and concentrates on defense as he could be prone to do against bigger guys, Archie takes it.

    (All this so that McGrain's prophecy could be fulfilled.)
     
  6. MrMarvel

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    The correct answer is "yes." :)
     
  7. the cobra

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    I don't think I would put him inside my top 10. He could be argued in, at the bottom of the list, but it would mostly be based on how highly you rank him in a H2H sense at the weight, for just accomplishments/who he beat, I don't think he should make it.
     
  8. janitor

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    No

    Ten is not a big number,there are a sh1t load of great light heavies.

    Yes Jones might in theory have beaten various all time greats based on his refexes but he had the chance to force the issue against the best of his era (at lest some of them) and he didnt.

    Head to head is theory.

    Resume is fact.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Janitor -

    There are a good number of HW's with better resume's than Jack Dempsey. You've acknowledged this. Still, Dempsey makes your top 5 based upon skillset, and head to head skills. I agree with your position on Dempsey's skillset and head to head skills.

    But Jones's skillset and head to head skills are comparable, and in terms of best weight, probably superior, at least that would be my tentative opinion.

    So why can Dempsey be justified in the 5, but Jones cannot be justified in the ten? Depth issue?
     
  10. mr. magoo

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    I don't see how a guy who has one of the longest reigns in lightheavyweight history, won titles heavyweight, lightheavyweight, supermiddleweight, and middleweight- something that no one has done since Fitszimons did it, and beat a myriad of titlists and undfeated fighters can't be a top 10..
     
  11. McGrain

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    Check out Sweet Pea's list for an answer.
     
  12. janitor

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    Here is the problem I have with Jones.

    He won titles heavyweight, lightheavyweight, supermiddleweight, and middleweight but somehow miraculously managed to avoid establishing lineage at any of those weights.

    He has a few incredible wins (eg over Toney) but squandered his potential fighting bicycle repair men.

    He throws you a bit when it comes to deciding a ranking.

    Lets not forgett however that this is the 175 lb division.

    You can get hurt there.
     
  13. janitor

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    I guess that Dempsey at heavyweight ripped the division open. Beat the willing, destroyed the No 1 contender, then the champion,

    Jones might have achieved more pound for pound but it is hard to map out his legacy at a given weight.
     
  14. McGrain

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    :lol:

    I understand that, but there are men you rate below Dempsey, who achieved more in the HW division - your justification for his higher ranking, inspite of his significant achievments at the weight is skillset/head to head.

    It seems to me that Jones has a similair case.
     
  15. mr. magoo

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    I'll agree that we needed to see him fight Dariusz Micalczewski at lightheavyweight, but failire to face one man in a near 7 years and some 15 title fights does not sway me that he wasn't THE MAN. He for the most part, unified the titles - something that nobody had done since Spinks' did it some 15+ years earlier. He desecrated an entire generation of unbeaten lightheavys, alpha titlists, or men who were as hard to KO as trying to kill a cockroach. We also didn't see a TRUE loss until he was 35 years of age, and is one of only a handful of lightheavys to capture a belt over 200Lbs. That's a lot more than some greats that I can think of accomplished.

    I don't think he's the greatest lightheavyweight of all time, but surely there's got to be enough on that resume to crack top 10.