POLL: Mosley vs Kimbo at HW

Drexl...now..I complimented you on the BS/FMJ thread...go check..dont make me change my opinion. For now, I will assume you think you can position me like some other schmuck on here..I have seen you do it...but...lets look at this objectively:

1) He was facing a world class HW boxing champion (I know..it hurts to say world class and Ruiz in the same sentence)
2) It was mandatory for him to make that weight
3) His frame could handle it
4) Speed/mass=force..we talked about this
5) He is a word class boxer of elite stature.


you see, the skill descrpency is not there, as it is in BS/FMJ or KS/SSM..also, everyone is assuming that SSM is a WW because thats waht you made clear. Lets now say SSM at whatever weight he feels best.....whats the difference? My point is skill will offset weight when the difference is as large as in these 2 scenarios. Do I think SSM could BEat Lennox? Nope? Holyfield? Nope. Kimbo...yep.

 

Thats fair point, but even a Jones at 168 I feel would beat Butterbean on pure speed and skill, if Jones lasted past 5 rounds with him, me and you both know Butterbean would become gassed and probably drop from exhaustion.

I just remember Tyson saying Julian Jackson hits harder than 90% of the Heavyweights I faced, he said this during a HBO telecast back in 88 or 89. I feel Jones hit very hard at Super Middleweight, enough so to give a 3rd tier Heavyweight like Butterbean a hard time in the ring, personally I cant see Butterbean even landing a solid shot on Jones the whole fight, the speed difference between the two would be mind blowing.

 

Shane .. he has movement and Power.. and he is finely tuned.. Kimbo has to be respected and has come a long way.. but definitely Shane..

 

No, you were refering to him as a low level grappler just a few minutes ago. You have no idea what the hell you are even talking about. Stop twisting your **** around every other post. First of all... you are judging Kimbo's boxing footwork and stance on MMA or street fights, when he clearly has other things to worry about, other than punches. His form even against Abbott when he knew they were standing and trading was just fine. What was wrong with his jab, straight right that knocked Tank out? Hell, he even brought in a clean up left hook behind, that he didn't need. His footwork was just fight, and unless you don't watch much of him, then you would know that he always uses head movement and can take a punch.

Shane could not hurt him.... and Shane would be brutalized even if he blocked a punch from Kimbo.

When talking about skill simply overcoming size... then you have to be reasonable with the size difference. If you want to talk about RJJ beating Kimbo in a boxing match, then you have yourself an argument. But to pretend that someone so dwarfed in size would be able to establish and impose his boxing skills against a man who is two of himself, and skilled with his hands. Kimbo simply shoving his hand out there would knock Mosley's balance completely out of whack.

You keep bringing up Prime Tyson, as if any of us were ******ed enough to pretend like Kimbo beats Prime Tyson in a boxing match. Do you think that Kimbo needs Tyson's speed and technique to beat Shane Mosley? I sure as hell don't. I wouldn't pick Kimbo to beat any top heavyweight boxer either... but as far as 147 pounders go... he would destroy them all. To argue this only shows ignorance on the indivduals being discussed, or a general lack of common sense.

 

So can a 168 fighter hurt a 400 pound fighter as you said a 147 one couldn't?

Is 21 pounds really that important though? Butterbean is a professional boxer and does MMA, Big Show has no proper training in fighting......but being 168 can beat Butterbean, but being 147 can not beat Big Show. I seriously don't get it?

Doesn't the 168 fighter represent a bigger and slower target for the 400 pound fighter to knock off balance like you said he would to a 147? Or does 21 pounds mean he can't knock you off balance anymore?

 

Jones is lighting fast. I think he would move just enough to beat Bean on points and he was just big enough that he could keep Bean off him IMO.

 

Yea.

But Drexl thinks RJJ would beat Butterbean. (No arguments)

But he also thinks Mayweather couldn't beat Big Show in a boxing match.

 

I am not sure that he could either. Maybe for a round or two.

 

First of all... if you think that Kimbo is my idol, then once again... you are showing your ignorance on this matter. I have argued the other side of the fence when people would talk about Kimbo beating a boxer in the boxing ring. However, it just so happens that I am not ******ed, and that just because I am not a fan of Kimbo.. that I would pretend he can't beat a 147 pound Shane Mosley.

I never said that he was as talented with his hands as top tier boxers... did I? Are you really this slow, that the same things need to be explained to you over and over? You can't read them correctly the first time? I provided the video to show something very simple. Not only does he clearly train in boxing... but that he clearly has decent punching technique, and power.

The point is that

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.... coupled with the size and power that he has.... he would be simply too much for Shane Mosley.

 

Your points are all valid....by they are also your opinion....I do not twist anything around in my posts...review before commenting. I said most on here are respecting KS..AND THE SKILL SET HE POSSESES..that skill set is not boxing....glad to hear that you are not completley illogical, and dotn beleive Kimbo would beat MT...but...you do know....the human body...its the same...shane could hurt him....we dont get knocked down from pain brutha..its the brain being pressed agaisnt the skull, causing a reactionary response of "blackout"..so, my man..anyone can hurt and ko anyone...equilibrium...same for everyone..shane could hurt him....my point is and will be this. The guys not 10 foot tall and 1000 pounds..he is not a salt water croc or a Polar Bear...he is a human..and, although larger....not nearly as skilled in the boxing ring as his opponent...the difference in skill would result in a loss.

 

i would say the skill difference between SSm and KS is even greater..to the point of opposite ends of the spectrum...

 

If Jones fought Butterbean in a 12 round fight, bet whatever you have in the bank it aint going 12, there's a reason why Butterbean never fought past 8 rounds in his career. Could you imagine how sloppy RJJ would make him look? Not to mention how tired, he would look like Briggs after he just fought a 12 round fight, Butterbean would hit the canvas before the 8th round, I would bet everything I own on that.

 

Okay a ten round fight. Butterbean did go ten with fossil Larry Holmes.

 

And Lost....