POLL: Mosley vs Kimbo at HW

Shane wins easily IMHO. Kimbo chases him around till he's gassed, Shane then controls the entire fight.

 

Like shooting fish in a barrel for Shane. The only way he would have a problem would be if the ring was 2 foot square.

 

SSM (147) vs. Kimbo (200+)?

 

Shane Mosely? Have to go with Kimbo. He's too big. P4P Shane whips his ass though.

 

Dumb thread. If you didn't know, Kimbo was a boxer before he went to MMA, and recently converted his style to MMA rules. Kimbo has good boxing skills and defense and Mosley can't hurt him. Kimbo would walk right through him.

 

Mosley is a top tier boxer, Kimbo's a 2nd tier MMA fighter, the boxing skill level betwwen the two of them is huge. Mosley would infact hurt Kimbo, who throws wide hooks that could easily be countered by a decent journeymen, let alone one of the best P4P fighters of my generation. The size wont matter when Kimbo cant hit Mosley with one solid punch, it will be only a matter of time before Kimbo gets tired and beaten up, from Mosley picking off all his shots and landing with counter punches of his own.

 

Kimbo is not your average MMA fighter, he has boxing skills and the size difference between him and Mosley would be too big. Mosley will get hurt even if he blocks the shots. If they both had a good boxing training camp before the fight, Kimbo would KO him.

 

If Kimbo could have made a decent go of boxing, he would have boxed, simple as that. The money is far far better. Obviously his boxings skills are limited so hes had to take a far reduced purse doing mma.

 

Its bareknuckle boxing you wimp, look up the roots of the sport.

The point was to use a the closest thing I could find in video form to the thread.

 

"Far reduced"

He's making 175k in his second fight.

 

The thing is, thats a prime example of the difference that separates class. Whereas the 1st guy was much bigger than the other guy, he wasnt used to taking punches from someone who knew what they were doing, thus he got KO'd inside 10secs. The much smaller man next round went on to whoop the other guy. Someone like Mosley would more than likely stop Kimbo inside the 1st round after landing a brutal combination. Kimbo's face is very reachable and dont be foold, theres a difference between world class boxer to your average guys punch. Even a light puncher at world class level will appear to hit like a hammer amongst your average guys.

If I know guys who are 130 and could KO guys in the gym who are 220, why cant a guy who walks 160 and is an ATG boxer KO a guy who is 240??? I swear people really havent seen much in their experiences to make comments like these. Ive seen far too many examples that shows skill>size.

Mosley cannot compete with most HW's because the HW's are drawn from a large talent pool therefore he would be competing with HW's who are actually skilled. If we were to use a skill system:

150lb average skill score 9/10
200lb average skill score 8/10
300lb average skill score 4/10
Kimbo skill score 2/10

200lb>150lb on average matchups cos on average, the size difference is too big for skill to overcome, and the skill difference isnt huge. 200lb fighters beat 300lb fighters because there are very few 300lb fighters out there and even their best guys like Valuev would have a skill level of 4/10, so though the 200lb is much smaller he can overcome the 300lb with skill. Now Kimbo is just trash boxing skills in comparison to a pro boxer so someone at 150lb would easily KO the guy, make no mistake about that.

The HW weight minimum limit isnt set at 200lb because after that power is less relevant, its set because there is not many 300lb+ men walking around out there wanting to take up boxing. Whereas if you set the weight min limit at 140lb, you would have 10mil 140lb trying to compete with 10mil 200lb men, the talent pool is of equal size. On the other hand you probably have 10k 300lb men but if there was 10mil 300lb men too, I guarantee the weight class min limit would be set at 300lb and not 200lb.

The weight limits are set to separate size but they are set at those numbers not simply because of size, but because its very probable that the guys coming out of about 230lb will be alot more skilled than the guys coming out at 300lb, thus the skill can make up for the size difference. In WW case, the HW's would just be as skilled as the WW's on average. So just because people are used to thinking HW "boxers"' > "WW" boxers, that doesnt translate to HW guys > WW boxers. They are separated by class that overcomes the weight, just as 200lb men can overcome 300lb men based on difference in class.

 

:rofl Kimbo is a heavyweight, he hurt Ray Mercer with some of his punches. You have no clue of what Kimbo is about.

 

Mercer is a grandad who quit after 1 kick in MMA. Mercer was in boxing mode, he was simply letting Kimbo punch himself out. Didnt anticipate that in MMA, he would be open for a takedown too.

 

His punches and elbows didnt make Mercer blink, though in fact he did block virtually every strike.