I'm not saying Kimbo isn't skilled in boxing, but there's a big difference between being skilled and being superior in a sport. I just see Kimbo missing alot of punches, and getting countered left and right, eventually leading to him quiting or gassing out mid-way through the fight, thats just my opinion.
Are you ******ed? What does this have to do with Tyson, and who was comparing Tyson to Kimbo? I never said that Kimbo was very fast, I said that he is much faster than he shows in that training video... you can see that by watching his fights. However, it isn't as if Kimbo would be winning this fight on speed. Also, Kimbo isn't a grappler.... what the hell are you talking about?
There you go..."thinking" again..you should KNOW my point is that skill descrepncies of this magnitude overcome size disparities. Also, my question was in response to your question. You inquired "how is RJJ anything like a welter/junior welter", was it not? So, in order to illustratehow a size difference of Welter to Middle weight is insignifigant, becasue the your question implied it was relevant, I reversed the question, showing you the disparity between bean and KS, size wise, was more drastic, thus brining the analogy provided (RJJ Vs Bean) into focus when relating it to the thread topic.
Correct me if I am wrong, but you keep throwing this pad video up as evidence of Kimbos "speed and skill". i wanted to contrast that to the speed and skill displayed by an actual boxer..and not even one as fast as SSM. This would put into perspective the how "slow" in boxing comparision, Kimbo really is, and how he would be clearly outgunned by a legit boxer.
I was just going by weight, Butterbeans what 300 plus and Jones was best at 160 or 168, thats a 140 pound difference roughly between the two, while Kimbo is what 275-280, while Mosley gets rounded to 150, thats also a 140 pound difference. I feel Butterbean is more skilled than Kimbo in boxing, like a prime Jones is more skilled than Mosley. So I feel the comparisons to Kimbo/Mosley is damn near equal to Jones/Butterbean, you have two superior boxers fighting two 3rd or 4th tier boxers that out weight there oppenents by 140-150 pounds.
I agree... Ray isn't anything like Kimbo though. This isn't about size alone overcomes skill. This is a matter of severe size/strength advantage plus well skilled overcoming world class skill. I don't think that most of these guys know how good of an athlete Kimbo is. People are just talking of him as if he is a big guy from the local bar who gets into some street fights.
Because AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, the "smaller" guy in this case is still big enough to make his opponent respect his punches and therefore be able to dictate the distance and tempo of the fight. Just as Roy did vs Ruiz. Keep up.
I am correcting you, and you are wrong. Where the **** did I say that pad video showed evidence of his speed? You just choose to throw that in there, because you don't have anything to argue with what I really said. How the hell is showing Tyson being a much better, and faster boxer than Kimbo proving that Shane Mosley would beat Kimbo?:huh Your logic is ******ed.
On the contrary, I feel people are respecting KS and the skill set he posesses..yet they realize this iss not a boxing skill set. Please, Watch the fights..chin out, bad footwork, slow punches, stationary, lunging off balance..these are thing a world class boxer wil exploit, size not withstanding.
So 168 RJJ can beat a professional boxer weighing 400 pounds.... But 147 Floyd can't beat a novice weighing 400 pounds?? You're beyond help....
I respectfully disagree for two reasons. 1) Roy is naturally about 175, but would fight someone like bean at 190 ish. therefore the 140lbs in this case would actually be less. 2) Due to the limitations of the human frame, the power difference between a 150 lb fighter and a 275lb fighter is greater than the power difference between a 168 and 300 lb fighter. Power goes up drastically with size up to around the 200lb mark, then the increase is not as great as size increases because other factors level it out.