POLL: Which fighters would you favor over Joe Louis?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mrkoolkevin, Apr 28, 2019.



Who would you favor against Joe Louis?

  1. Jack Dempsey

  2. Rocky Marciano

  3. Muhammad Ali

  4. George Foreman

  5. Larry Holmes

  6. Mike Tyson

  7. Lennox Lewis

  8. Wlad Klitschko

  9. Vitali Klitschko

  10. NONE OF THE ABOVE

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  1. Balder

    Balder Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It was very one sided, Louis in his prime would have done better but you still have to favor Marciano on style alone? Unless you are of the opinion that Louis wins that fight? I am not saying he could not, but I would not favor Louis over Marciano at any stage.
     
  2. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    How about Jack Johnson and Gene Tunney (both were tactical and technical, particular in the defence, superior)?
     
  3. Balder

    Balder Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tunney is 50/50
    Johnson loses
    IMO
     
  4. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    Johnson knew the faults of Louis, as he predicted Schmeling to win and how he will do it. He has the better general ringship and could counter the "Brown Bomber", maybe similar as Charles or Walcott.
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's an incredibly tough standard to hold someone to.

    He was pre peak Schmeling and it was the last lesson he ever needed regarding dedication and professionalism. He avenged and didn't lose again for more than 14 years. These 14 years included countless defenses of the world title against all comers.

    It's well accepted that Louis was not near as good as he had been after the war. He was heading toward 34 and had a careers worth of devastation behind him. Walcott may or may not have beaten him but even if he did it wouldn't overly matter. Walcott was an extremely good fighter and Louis faded. As it was Louis still pumped him in a rematch.

    He'd been retired and out of the ring for over two when he lost to Charles. The man was over the hill. The man was 36. By the time Rocky beat him he was a dinosaur. The man had been fighting for 17 years.

    Most heavyweights are sat on the seat of their pants at times but the great ones survive and win. Conn led but was ultimately knocked out.

    Applying such strict standards to others puts things in perspective.

    Larry Holmes - Dropped by Isaac, Shavers, Snipes and hurt by numerous others. Controversial decisions against Witherspoon and Williams and went life and death with Norton.

    Beaten by Michael Spinks at the same stage Louis was struggling with Walcott and at a stage prior to that of Louis when facing Charles let alone Marciano.

    "Crushed" by Tyson at a similar stage Joe was at for Charles. His loss to Holyfield was probably around the point Joe was at vs Rocky.

    Muhammad Ali - Dropped by Banks, Cooper and Frazier. Struggling with Young and co and losing to Leon Spinks at similar stages to the ones Louis struggled at. Beaten by Holmes and Berbick at similar stages Louis was losing to Charles and Marciano. Beaten by Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Holmes, Berbick etc, controversial decisions with Norton and others.

    We can do this with anyone. As one poster said it's all about context. Walcott, Charles and Marciano just don't matter much whatsoever. Just like Spinks, Tyson and co sure as hell don't define Holmes. You also won't see any decent poster throwing Spinks, Holmes and Berbick at Ali with any importance either, and if you do then run.
     
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  6. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joe Louis movement was good. He was an agile man who just chose to waste absolutely no energy on unnecessary movement.
    Ken Norton beat Ali, and Norton wasn't some flashy fleet-footed fighter.
    Even an actual plodder like George Chuvalo could get through to Ali, even had him in a corner along the ropes a couple of times.

    I feel I'm wasting my time here though, since you can't even recognize Joe Louis as having "good" defense.
     
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  7. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali , Tyson, Foreman
     
  8. DJN16

    DJN16 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's a strange one, as good as Louis was they could all beat him.

    Surely the Klitschko brothers are just too big for him?

    I voted Ali, Holmes and Lewis to beat Louis.

    He should be good enough to beat Marciano and Dempsey in 2 classic fights.

    I think he stands a chance against Tyson but you just don't really know, Mike may blast him out of there. Same with Foreman.
     
  9. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti The Ad Wolgast of Googling Stuff Full Member

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    What each person picked

    Picked 7
    Greg Price Muhammad Ali George Foreman Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Wlad Klitschko Vitali Klitschko
    mrkoolkevin Muhammad Ali George Foreman Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Wlad Klitschko Vitali Klitschko
    ForemanJab Muhammad Ali George Foreman Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Wlad Klitschko Vitali Klitschko
    Pat M Muhammad Ali George Foreman Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Wlad Klitschko Vitali Klitschko
    JackSilver Muhammad Ali George Foreman Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Wlad Klitschko Vitali Klitschko
    h8me Muhammad Ali George Foreman Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Wlad Klitschko Vitali Klitschko
    GOAT Primo Carnera Muhammad Ali George Foreman Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Wlad Klitschko Vitali Klitschko

    Picked 6
    Balder Jack Dempsey Rocky Marciano Muhammad Ali George Foreman Lennox Lewis Vitali Klitschko
    Entaowed Rocky Marciano Muhammad Ali Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Wlad Klitschko Vitali Klitschko
    Fergy Jack Dempsey Muhammad Ali George Foreman Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis

    Picked 5
    Seamus Muhammad Ali Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Wlad Klitschko Vitali Klitschko
    PeterD Jack Dempsey Muhammad Ali George Foreman Larry Holmes Mike Tyson
    CANNONBALL Muhammad Ali George Foreman Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis
    emallini Muhammad Ali George Foreman Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis
    JC40 Muhammad Ali Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Vitali Klitschko
    BlackCloud Jack Dempsey Muhammad Ali George Foreman Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis
    Glass City Cobra Muhammad Ali George Foreman Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Vitali Klitschko
    Jamie1992 Muhammad Ali Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Wlad Klitschko Vitali Klitschko
    Clean & Crisp Muhammad Ali George Foreman Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis
    George Crowcroft Muhammad Ali George Foreman Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis
    Toper Rocky Marciano George Foreman Mike Tyson Wlad Klitschko Vitali Klitschko

    Picked 4
    ticar Muhammad Ali George Foreman Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis
    KuRuPT Muhammad Ali George Foreman Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis
    The Long Count Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Wlad Klitschko Vitali Klitschko
    Ra's Al-Ghul Rocky Marciano Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Vitali Klitschko
    cjh99 Muhammad Ali Larry Holmes Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis
    Gazelle Punch Rocky Marciano Muhammad Ali George Foreman Mike Tyson
    ray fritz Jack Dempsey Muhammad Ali Mike Tyson Vitali Klitschko

    Picked 3
    Quick Cash Muhammad Ali Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis
    70sFan Muhammad Ali Larry Holmes Mike Tyson
    BobD99 Jack Dempsey Muhammad Ali Mike Tyson
    Contro Muhammad Ali Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis
    Reinhardt Muhammad Ali George Foreman Mike Tyson
    Manos de mierda Jack Dempsey Muhammad Ali Mike Tyson
    RightLeftCombo Muhammad Ali George Foreman Mike Tyson

    Picked 2
    RockyJim Jack Dempsey Rocky Marciano
    salsanchezfan Muhammad Ali Mike Tyson
    JohnThomas1 Muhammad Ali Lennox Lewis
    mcvey Jack Dempsey Muhammad Ali
    The Morlocks Jack Dempsey Rocky Marciano
    Smokin Bert Muhammad Ali Mike Tyson

    Picked 1
    PhillyPhan69 Rocky Marciano
    young griffo Muhammad Ali
    kolchak65 Larry Holmes
    reznick Muhammad Ali
    HOUDINI Muhammad Ali
    swagdelfadeel Muhammad Ali
    Sting like a bean Muhammad Ali
    Tom P Muhammad Ali
    BitPlayerVesti Muhammad Ali
    The Malibu Mauler Rocky Marciano
    Jack Catterall Muhammad Ali

    Picked 0
    Unforgiven None
    janitor None
    The Undefeated Lachbuster
    None
     
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  10. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    Jeffries and Sullivan might have a decent knockout-chance at least too.
     
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  11. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm confused here, you're picturing Ali moving like he did for the Norton fights? That was the best version of Ali, nor the one we should be using. Am I wasting my time here if you think that is the Ali we're using? You mention Chuvalo but he is way more aggressive than Joe would be, which is why he was able to get there as he did. So I'll ask again, the best version of Ali, who's on his toes and firing jabs, so what about Louis' movement do you feel like is good in that type of matchup?

    You didn't like my term adequate, and feel his defense was good, and the fact that I think adequate means it might be a waste of time. I see, so it was technical phenoms who set traps for Louis that were unavoidable to stop, and it had nothing to do with his defense right? Interesting. Choose whatever term you see fit, but good is just below great. For me, you don't get dropped as many times as he did by technically average and overall average fighters with good defense. The Abe's, Buddy's the Jim's etc aren't doing it for me when it comes to really anything. So if you get dropped by them, I would hesitate to call someone that did, as having "good" defense. Crazy times I know
     
  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales Full Member

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    Not sure any heavyweight could have gotten out of the way of those lightning-fast, well-concealed Galento hooks, tbh.
     
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  13. CarlChilders

    CarlChilders Member booted Full Member

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    Look another one of these threads where this old 60 year old boxing fans think some 6'1 190 pound Joe Louis could beat some modern sized and modern skilled fighters. Joe Louis couldn't handle 180 pound Max Schmeling punching power. But yeah he could handle 230 pound to 240 pound guys like Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Riddick Bowe, Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko power? I know what you old casual fans will type. But he beat Buddy Baer, Abe Simon, Primo Canera and they were modern sized right? There guys weren't modern skilled and they fought the same era where the average heavyweight was 180 pounds.

    Joe Louis was almost knocked out by light punching 170 pound Billy Conn for crying out loud. So if one light punching 170 pound guy could hurt him wouldn't logic dictate that a harder punching 170 pounder would of stopped him? Any half way decent heavyweight from the 70s to this day would smoke glorified club fighter out in 1 round.
     
  14. CarlChilders

    CarlChilders Member booted Full Member

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    Wow I found a person in the classic forum who actually knows boxing. Maybe I should just put everybody else on ignore and just pay attention to what you type.
     
  15. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You didnt include an option for Valuev or Kelvin Price. What gives??