Poll: Who won the 2nd round of the Frazier - Foreman 2 fight?

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  1. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I brought that up because it was you who was saying there was no official scorecard available for the Foreman-Frazier fight, you're not judging the round by what happened at all, if that were the case, you'd probably be in the majority. But you're obviously going to believe what you want to believe, so there's really no point in continuing this further. And like you, I'd be worried if you were in the majority too, at least we can agree on that.
     
    Vanboxingfan, Jan 10, 2016
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  2. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Foreman destroys swarmers and does it easy, is one of the great fantasy fight staples.

    A declined Frazier bobbing and weaving under his attacks for 4 rounds is something that shouldn't have happened if that is an absolute truth.
     
    The Mongoose, Jan 10, 2016
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  3. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    And why did I say there was no official card released? Was it a random statement or a reply to another poster? No grey area on this one.

    You can't refute any of my observations. Every punch I said for certain landed, did in fact land.
     
    The Mongoose, Jan 10, 2016
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  4. lufcrazy

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    A declined Frazier bobbed and weaved some attacks from a declined Foreman and managed to extend the fight till the 5th round before succumbing to the power.

    When Frazier was an unbeaten champion he had the chance to beat Foreman, but the chance was tiny due to styles and hindsight.
     
    lufcrazy, Jan 10, 2016
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  5. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not going to waste my time verifying the accuracy in that statement, but obviously the majority of us felt that Foreman landed more punches than Frazier and that he controlled and otherwise dictated the terms of the round. If that weren't the case, presumably the votes would support your position.
     
    Vanboxingfan, Jan 10, 2016
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  6. swagdelfadeel

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    I don't think you understand how fantasy fights work.
     
    swagdelfadeel, Jan 10, 2016
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  7. lufcrazy

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    You're right, I don't.
     
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  8. mrkoolkevin

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    Posse of 3 if you count me, I guess. Close round.
     
    mrkoolkevin, Jan 10, 2016
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  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    A lot of folks around here seem to care more about aggression and punch output than clean, sharp punching. To each their own, I guess.
     
    mrkoolkevin, Jan 10, 2016
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  10. swagdelfadeel

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    I think the his strategy in the Chuvalo fight was the way he should've fought George. Chuvalo pressured Frazier and backed him up a couple of times in the fight. What did Joe do? He backed up, jabbed, countered and used his right hand more, and in better condition, showed the head movement against Chuvalo that he didn't against Foreman. Plus the fact that Chuvalo wasn't allowed to turn the match into a wrestling contest like Mercante allowed Foreman to do against Frazier. Now we all no there's a distinct difference in punching power between Chuvalo and Foreman, but not a whole lot of difference strength wise. Hell I might even say Chuvalo was physically stronger.
     
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  11. swagdelfadeel

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    In a fantasy fight trilogy, after the first fight, neither fighters come in with the effects of the first. Both come in fresh.
     
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  12. lufcrazy

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    Give Frazier as many attempts in this fantasy world. He might win one every now an again, maybe he lands a ko shot, maybe Foreman breaks an ankle, maybe Frazier times every punch for 8 rounds. It just isn't a feasible outcome.

    He had his chance at victory in the real world as undefeated HW champion.
     
    lufcrazy, Jan 10, 2016
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  13. Vanboxingfan

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    No I counted you. lol.

    Personally I thought round 4 was a lot closer than round 2. But I will admit that boxing is not an easy sport to score. Things move quickly, something all you see is a fighters back, sometimes some punches are blocked and some aren't and it's not easy to tell which is which, etc. And then there are the intangibles, what if a fighter hits another fighter with 10 punches in the round and the other fighter responds with 6-7 punches which are harder than anyone of the 10. Then at least in my opinion, you have to decide whether any of those 6-7 punches significantly hurt the other fighter, if they did, it's probably his round, if not, then the guy who landed 10 won, at least that's how I see it.
     
    Vanboxingfan, Jan 10, 2016
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  14. Vanboxingfan

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    Honestly, I think that could make for a very interesting thread.

    But in the case of the 2nd round of the Foreman - Frazier fight, I would argue that Foreman simply outlanded Frazier and since neither hurt the other, you pretty much have to give the round to the guy who although missed a lot, still connected with more punches than the other guy, and largely controlled where the fighter took place. If Frazier's punches had staggered Foreman or god forbid even backed him up, my view of that round might be different.
     
    Vanboxingfan, Jan 10, 2016
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  15. Dubblechin

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    No. George Foreman was far superior to George Chuvalo. Strength wise. Punching power wise. Skill wise.

    Show me photos of Chuvalo carrying cattle or pulling a jeep uphill while jogging.:lol::good
     
    Dubblechin, Jan 10, 2016
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