Poll - Who would win? Usyk or 1992 Prime Riddick Bowe?

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Poll - Who wins Uysk or 1992 prime Riddick Bowe

Poll closed Aug 7, 2024.
  1. USYK POINTS

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  2. USYK KO

    0 vote(s)
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  3. BOWE POINTS

    12.1%
  4. BOWE KO

    39.4%
  1. AngryBirds

    AngryBirds Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    All of the top guys from the early-mid 90's > best of today.
     
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  2. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Big Daddy Bowe and Big Belly Fury batter Usyk
     
  3. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Bowe for me

    On his day he was a brilliant talent and I think he would stop Usyk with a brutal body shot in around about the 10th round

    Wouldn't be easy for Bowe however
     
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  4. PunishingJab

    PunishingJab New Member Full Member

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    Well, I think as was the case when Bowe fought Holyfield, Riddick has too many advantages here. He’s got the better jab, workrate, infighting, power, punch selection, hand speed, combinations and is considerably larger. The only fight Holy took against Bowe was a razor decision which he won largely on clean hard punching, but nothing Usyk really throws is remotely sharp. Now Usyk is highly intelligent and Bowe did have focus issues so it’s not a given, but in this case I think we’re looking at a great big man against a great small man.
     
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  5. PunishingJab

    PunishingJab New Member Full Member

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    In the first Bowe fight Holyfield weighed 205lbs and had bulked up from a 185lb skinny so and so at cruiserweight. At cruiserweight Holyfield threw 1290 punches over 15 against Qawi, whereas at heavyweight against the big boys Holyfield threw about 40/45 a round at his best. He also was at a significant strength disadvantage as a smaller man. I might accept Holyfield started cheating as he got older but in the first Bowe fight I can’t see reason to believe he cheated anymore than Spinks against Holmes or other smaller men moving up.

    There’s 0 point comparing Holyfield and Usyk because suggesting they have faced remotely similar size hardships is quite deceptive. Usyk is naturally a rehydrating 200lb fighter, in other words a natural heavyweight fighting at cruiserweight. That’s about 30 lbs bigger than Holyfield. If Evander was a natural 210/215lb fighter he would’ve had even more success at heavy! Anyway, Bowe takes Usyk by UD in an intriguing fight.
     
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  6. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Bowes skillset is overrated if anything. Lewis was better in pretty much every department other than chin and getting into silly wars with much smaller fighters that impacted his career and long term health.
     
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  7. Serge

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    I don't think there's any ''might'' about it, mate. He was clearly jacked silly on a whole host of roids and other PEDs. He, aka Evan Fields, was a freaking walking PED factory and no I don't believe he only started cheating at HW. He may have upped his dose at HW. Increased the amount of PEDs he was on to help him bulk up, but he was likely on something at CW too.

    All the roids he was on would certainly have helped with that strength disadvantage

    Usyk is a natural CW. He was coming in at 207-208lbs for his fights where the fight night weights were announced and he looks soft and a bit bloated at 220lbs whereas at CW he looked pretty ripped and defined. That was his optimal fighting weight and anything over 210-212 max detracts from him IMO.

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    One can argue if Usyk was a walking PED factory like Evan with super up power, strength, stamina, resistance and endurance he would look like a monster too.

    If Evan was a ''natural'' fighter period I don't think he would've had near the success he did at HW
     
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  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: I did but as you say then I remembered. Like how someone who had been on the receiving end of a vicious headbutted might temporarily forget where they were but when they come back to they remember. Getting butted ain't no joke. That poop hurts and discombobulatizes you.

    I don't know why Usyk just doesn't start cheating like crazy and taking every PED known to science and going full billy goat mode because he might earn himself a whole new bunch of fans :lol:
     
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  9. Ice8Cold

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    Bowe in shape and in his prime was a top fighter. There is a huge talent mismatch of Riddick Bowe compared with guys that Usyk had hell with like Chisora, Briedis and arguably could say Dubois.

    People don't actually realise just how skilled Riddick Bowe actually was, even Manny Steward said Bowe had the edge over Lennox in the skill department.

    Briedis fight shows that Usyk may not stick to his outboxing style. In addition, Bowe had great movement aggressively cutting the ring, much better than those guys who have managed to cut the ring such as Chisora and Briedis.

    When not in-fighting, Bowes natural style was to be on the front foot and his jab was powerful enough to rock Holyfield.
     
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  10. Ice8Cold

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    If Briedis is capable of forcing Usyk into a phone booth contest no matter how disciplined Usyk is, then Bowe absolutely wouldn't have any issues bettering Briedis efforts. Even if Usyk kept it on outside, Bowe was much more than skilled enough to cut the ring.

    WSB - I can't judge amateur boxing too much as its so different to professional boxing, less rounds, you tend to try different strategies etc, its all just so different. Plus he only beat a very raw Joyce. Amateur boxing doesn't really tell the whole story, you can get fighters like David Price beating Tyson Fury to Audley getting gold. You can look good in amateurs but be absolute rubbish in the pro stages.

    Bowe still beat 3 EE fighters en route to the final. Plus Bowe (like Fury) matured FAST after the amateurs, especially under Futch even despite getting a silver medal, in which he was very unlucky not to get gold.

    Unfortunately Bowe was finished before the two Golota fights and was clearly no longer the same fighter, its what brain damage does to one. Before the first Golota fight Bowe already had huge equilibrium problems stemming from concussion infections from sparring. Bowe had this tendency to really copy Muhammed Ali unnecessarily and in sparring he would allow people to hit him like "YOUR SHOTS CAN'T HURT ME! I CAN TAKE THEM". This was quite common and a lot of boxers did in the past in which this mentality came from Ali.

    You say Usyk was much better in the amateurs. Compare Bowes performance PLUS his speech sadly, between the Holyfield 1 fight and both Golota fights. The difference is genuinely sad.
     
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  11. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Hype Jobs will be hype jobs until proven so. Full Member

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    Bigger? Joshua was barely barely bigger than Bowe, it wouldn't make a difference if the two fought.

    More powerful? Bowe could rock Holyfield with his jab.

    JOSHUA BEING MORE TECHNICAL THAN BOWE?!?! Do you actually think Joshua is more skilled than Riddick Bowe? Seriously? Even Lennox Lewis's trainer Steward said Bowe was more skilled than his favourite son. Christ.

    Even Briedis and Chisora were insurmountable challenges for Usyk!!!
     
  12. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Hype Jobs will be hype jobs until proven so. Full Member

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    They were effective for him. Lennox said Holyfield was his toughest fight.
     
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  13. Ice8Cold

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    I completely agree mate.
     
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  14. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Hype Jobs will be hype jobs until proven so. Full Member

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    You disagreeing with one of the best trainers of all time Manny Steward who trained Lennox Lewis, and SAID that Bowe was more skilled than Lennox Lewis? Really?
     
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  15. BCS8

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    YDKSAB. Facts