Poll - Who would win? Usyk or 1992 Prime Riddick Bowe?

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Poll - Who wins Uysk or 1992 prime Riddick Bowe

Poll closed Aug 7, 2024.
  1. USYK POINTS

    48.5%
  2. USYK KO

    0 vote(s)
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  3. BOWE POINTS

    12.1%
  4. BOWE KO

    39.4%
  1. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk of either Joshua fight takes Bowe out late.

    Easy UD if Bowe can hang on
     
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  2. Serge

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    He didn't force Usyk into a phone booth contest Usyk opted to fight that style against him. Like I said, he has more than one style and he chose to fight that style of fight.

    Much easier said than done against a much smaller, much faster, slick elusive southpaw with superb footwork. We've never seen Bowe in there with anyone like that. There's a reason why AJ has a KO 88% and has stopped all but four of his opponents and dropped all but three of them. He had 24 rounds to put a dent in Usyk but he couldn't come close to dropping him.

    In fact, the only one of them who was in danger of getting stopped in those fights was him, unless that is you believe the biased commentary when AJ had his one big moment in round 9 of the rematch that is which no one should.

    And that reason is because these huge behemoth plodders are much easier to land your bombs on with consistency and pin down because they're there to be hit.

    “It depends what Usyk brings as well. “It’s like trying to swat a fly. You know, because I’m the bigger man, I’m gonna’ go in there and just swat this fly and it is going to die.

    "But you know how difficult it is to swat a fly because it moves around a lot and how energy-draining that is. I can’t just now come in and start boxing like Mike Tyson - it’s just not me - I have got to be the best me.

    --Anthony Joshua

    It was in the WSB which is considered semi-pro and it was over five rounds

    Among others he beat

    The huge punching 3 x World Amateur gold medalist Majidov

    Joe Joyce who had beaten Hrgovic just a month earlier. Hrgovic is one of Joyce's best ever wins in the amateur/semi-pros, like top 2

    Mihai Nistor who stopped AJ and Wallin in the amateurs

    And Junior Fa

    Those were some of the best or world class SHWs in the world at the time not bums

    Like I said, Bowe had mixed success against the Soviet school in the amateurs and as a pro he got battered the only time he fought an EE fighter and I just don't buy the excuses about him being shot against Golota.

    I've lost count of the amount of times I've debated people on here and other platforms where they hand out these obligatory excuses for certain fighters or fighters from certain parts of the world where they deem them shot in their late 20s or early-mid 30s as soon as they lose but these same people constantly act like certain other fighters or ones from other parts of the world are completely immune to the ageing process, wars, and the wear and tear of boxing and training for 25-30 years or more who they deem prime in their mid to late 30s. It's bloody infuriating and I don't play those games I make them play by their own rules and apply them consistently.

    Usyk simply was noticeably faster, sharper, with quicker reaction times and reflexes and better accuracy when he was younger. Very noticeably so. I've been saying this for years and I argued long ago that version of Usyk would be an absolute nightmare for these giants and that he didn't even need to bulk up because he could get them out of there in the back half of the fight with speed, accuracy, and volume.

    Bowe was an excellent fighter but I just think a prime Usyk has the tools and attributes to beat him on points. Maybe Bowe vs a 37 y/o Usyk would be different but then again maybe not.
     
  3. Dynamicpuncher

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    Did you see Bowe's speech after the 3rd Holyfield fight ? He definitely had early signs of brain damage, and by the 2nd Golota fight you barely make out a sentence of what he was saying.

    Like I said in previous post Bowe liked his borderline low blow shots, and if the fight took place in America which it most likely would then Bowe wins via controversial borderline low blow shot aka Dubois.
     
  4. Terror

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    You're making a gigantic logical leap to assume an athlete forged in the shadow of the soviet medal garnering program is natural. I'll say that much. "Holier than thou" is a slippery slope when it comes to roids. Usyk has had gyno and lots of weird steroid-like water bloat issues that I have not noticed in any athlete that does not consume PEDs. They just "churn out elite athletes" that all happen to have biomarkers of PED use. No problem. I don't care. I just watch.

    That being said, Wilder, AJ, and Fury are also not natural among others. If the fatass Jarrell Miller is on them, then let's not single out Evan Fields like he was reinventing the wheel or the last one on it.

    I'm not here for the Holyfield hate from the "Tyson was natural" crowd.

    Bowe certainly took too much punishment in training and the Holyfield fights and should not have carried on for the Golota fights, even. He was toast. The last true prime Bowe was probably Holyfield I. Holyfield was built for war on a different level. There are guys who went to war with him and ended their own careers trying to break his armor--Bowe is one of them.
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Stop with this crap. No I am not making a ''gigantic logical leap'' at all. And the US is steroid central so they're in no position to lecture anyone about PEDs and you're trying to smear an innocent man who has has never failed a PED test in his life, has never been involved in a PED scandal, never refused testing, does VADA testing, has fought all over the world, is one of the nicest, most respectful and humble and honest fighters in the game, legit nice not fake nice, who is a deeply religious man not a fake one, who is one of the cleanest fighters in the game who does not use his head as a battering ram like Holyfield did who was the poster boy for PEDs and we all know was jacked silly on roids and that is supported by a ton of actual proof not mere speculation.

    One of them is a known PED cheat the other isn't.

    How many times do I have to repeat myself? I said I don't buy the excuses
     
  6. Terror

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    "This crap" being reality. Yes, you are making a leap. You are woefully uneducated on performance enhancement and yet you opine endlessly about it. That is objective reality, there are books about this stuff. "Never failed a test" -- Doesn't understand how testing works

    "Never been involved in a scandal" -- So they want people to find out?

    This stuff is done in such a way where as it would be difficult to test for even if testing were good. It's crap. UFC fighters cheated USADA all day and looked ripped and roided but were never caught. They're all legit too, then.
     
  7. Serge

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    His speech didn't sound bad to me during his post-fight interview for the second fight against Golota ie. after Golota beat the soul out of his body for a second time both times of which he deserves zero credit for according to many

    Yes Bowe was a very dirty fighter which is something the obligatory free pass brigade for certain fighters give him an obligatory free pass for too. It's always the way :lol:
     
  8. Serge

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    No this crap being you trying to smear an innocent man of being a PED cheat because you don't like the fact that someone pointed out that another fighter was clearly a walking PED factory.

    I'm not interested in the expert opinion and speculation of someone who is trying to smear an innocent man of being a PED cheat whilst defending a walking PED factory.
     
  9. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You don't think his speech sounded bad after 2nd Golota fight ? Then I'm at a lost for words.

    Compare Bowe's speech after 1st Holyfield fight to the 2nd Golota fight and theres a HUGE difference.

    I'm not a lover of Bowe I think hes a bit overrated personally and he was guilty of some fouling himself see the Coetzer fight "Borderline low blow".

    But he was definitely a spent force when he fought Golota even though I think Golota did fight very well and I think he would always give Bowe trouble.

    I can't be more fairer than that.

    But I'm still not totally sold on Usyk at Heavyweight yet he needs another big win for me to seal the deal and hopefully he beats Fury.
     
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  10. Dynamicpuncher

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    @Serge

    Bowe's speech at 21:37 listen to what the doctor says and listen to the difference in the speech between Bowe/Holyfield 1 and Golota/Bowe 2.

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  11. Serge

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    Not during his post-fight interview, no.

    ''Some fouling''? :lol: He was very dirty and not just inside the ring either. I never disliked him as such but it was disgusting the way he cracked Larry Donald with not one but two bare fist vicious sucker punches and his team and entourage did some real trashy things too.

    I've already made my position clear regarding Bowe vs Golota

    I know you're not totally sold on Usyk but if he were to lose at 37 y/o or older he will still be magically in the midst of his prime according to these exact same people :lol:
     
  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Without wanting to be rude and having to keep repeating myself over and over again I don't buy the excuses. You're all free to do so I simply do not
     
  13. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That’s essentially my position. Big fan of Usyk, but having just a couple wins in this dreadful HW era isn’t enough for me to pick him over more tested HWs.
     
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  14. Dynamicpuncher

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    That's fair enough but look at footage is there clearly not a major difference with Bowe's speech ? That's not an excuse we had actual evidence of it for you to compare the differences.

    I've been totally fair and said I think Bowe is a bit overrated, aswell as giving Golota credit for fighting a good fight.

    But clearly Bowe was a spent force with all his bad habits outside of the ring aswell as taking too many clean punches that caught up to him.

    Again though as I said I think Golota would still give even an early 90s Bowe stylistic issues.

    I think everything I said is totally reasonable and down the line.
     
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  15. Dynamicpuncher

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    To be honest I think alot of Heavyweights now are unproven barely any of them have fought any ranked opposition.

    For example Fury hasn't fought Joshua, Parker, Ruiz, Poverkin, Zhang, etc. Who's to say they wouldn't expose glaring flaws in Fury like Parker did to Wilder ?

    Thankfully it looks like in 2024 that we will finally find out alot more about who really is the top Heavyweights of this era.
     
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