Poll: Widow maker says lennox lewis's reign wasn't that impressive.

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Here is a statement from Widow Maker, copied from the thread entitled, Tyson/Lewis


    Widow Maker: I also don't feel like Lewis was all that impressive by the fact that he managed to not fight any of the top 5 fighters in his own era... and only became the true Champion for a brief period during the transition period between the 90's era and the current era. Even during that reign, it wasn't very impressive.

    Here is was my response

    Mr. Magoo:If you're saying that he wasn't the TRUE champ until he defeated Holyfield, then he at least held the lineal title from 1999-2003, being interrupted briefly by his loss to Rahman. Lewis cleaned out an entire generation of super heavys, young prospects, and ranked contenders. He unified the titles for a brief period and defeated every man he ever faced at one point or another. I don't know how the hell someone who supports Wladimir Klitschko to the extent that you do, can claim that Lewis's reign wasn't impressive.

    Who would you agree with more?
     
  2. dnr0720

    dnr0720 Member Full Member

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    I'm not a fan of lewis' but he beat everyone and anyone that was out there. I would have loved to have seen a Bowe Lewis match but it never materialized. Again I would have loved to have seen Lewis fail miserably but he just didn't he may have had lapses but he made resounding impressions the second time around.
     
  3. CottoDaBodykill

    CottoDaBodykill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    lennox lewis reign was kinda like rockys ...he beat alot of guys who had been around ..a few of the up and commers who were suposed to be bad ass.. and retired with his brains intact... not impressive ..but an all time great run none the less
     
  4. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was a decent rein. I give Lewis the title after he beat Briggs(Who beat Foreman, scorecards or not)

    Now it was not like a Ali 2nd title rein with fights vs Frazier, or Foreman. And as reins, I even feel Marciano and Louis had a better run vs better foes.

    But Lewis for his time was the man, beat evey one there was to beat outside of Wlad, but he was loseing to the likes of Brewster there. Not a great or impressive rein. But a decent rein. No I dont hold wins over Shot Tyson all that in a ohh Ahh type of feeling.
     
  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    From a historical perspective there is only a verry small list of gloved heavyweight champions whose title reigns (like Lewis's) could be theoreticaly described as dominating an era.

    Joh L Sullivan (minus obvious omisions)

    Jim Jeffries

    Jack Johnson (if we include his coloured heavyweight title reign)

    Jack Dempsey (minus obvious omisions)

    Joe Louis

    Rocky Marciano

    Muhamad Ali

    Larry Holmes (minus obvious omisions)

    Mike Tyson (if we include his alphabet championship reign)

    Lennox Lewis

    It seems hard to argue that any of these title reigns were not impresive.
     
  6. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think to some extent Lewis gets blamed for all those good fights we as fans were hoping for. A prime Lewis - Bowe fight. A near prime Tyson - Lewis fight, etc. And while I personally don't blame him for these fights not happening, fans feel that he reign could have been more impressive if they did happen, and the mere fact they didn't, regardless of why, hurts him in some eyes. And the real anti-Lewis fans will go a step further to say he would have lost these fights and his chin wouldn't have stood up..It's nonesense, but they have two fights to hang their hats on.
     
  7. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The bottom. Who the hell are those "top 5 fighters" that he failed to fight??
     
  8. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you can believe it one of them is Foreman, and the other Moorer. :lol:
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Listening to anything Widow says about HW's is akin to listening to anything RedRooster says about...anything. His entire vision of HW boxing is coloured by his feelings for Wlad Klitschko.

    He's fine on other weights.
     
  10. Muchmoore

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  11. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Isn't he the guy who regards Wlad as some kind of god? Was it him or someone else that claims Ali wasn't very impressive and even dissed his resume saying Foreman was his only quality win? Might have been someone else I remember it was Wlad fan. Anyway the general is full of those guys most don't know a great deal on the history of the sport anyway their was one guy who claim if you didn't see a fighter live you didn't know about him no matter the research you would do after, man that guy was a tool.
     
  12. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    But boy is he fun to **** with.....:lol:
     
  13. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    Lewis fought and beat everyone he faced at one point or another. He's a great, he's a legend. His resume is the EPITOME of impressive.
     
  14. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You mean two guys that Holyfield had already beat the **** out of when Lewis fought Holy??
    :patsch
     
  15. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair post.

    But I have a hard time finding a really impressive fight against a top notch opponent on his resume.

    Shopworn Holyfield who Bowe clearly dispatched 2 out of 3 (one could make a argument 3 out of 3) when he was fresher,younger. Lewis opera dance for 24.

    Trouble with Bruno who Tyson steamrolled when Bruno was, again, fresher.

    Ruddock ? Good win but getting beat up twice by Tyson with your jaw/multiple ribs broken..........it stands to reason that Razor was never the same after that.

    Butler ? lol

    Mercer ? Pulled it out in the last few rounds but who the F did Mercer ever beat (Morrison? Damiani lol) plus ridiculed by a old Holmes.

    Grant ? OK win but , please, almost folded against the mental midget. Same hype as Haye right now.

    Golata? Self destructed in the two Bowe fights, that guy never ever beat anybody of any note and yeah, a stoned , washed up Tyson waxed him in two. Golata plain sucks.

    Tua ? Well, sitting a couple of years on your No1 rating , getting fat and making all your glory out of a loss, putting a pathetic display of courage and should have been tko/ko'ed after the 8th, he certainly was ready to be taken out. **** ass boring fight.

    The shell of a shell Tyson ? Not even worth a foot note .

    Tommy Chin ? I guess ok but Tommy was no world beater unless you call a ancient Foreman a threat.

    Briggs ? Kind of a sloppy affair in the beginning against a overmatched bodybuilder. Entertaining personality but as a fighter Briggs is a joke.

    Mr Mohawk himself ? Another **** ass fight against , at best ,a b minus fighter.

    Botha ? lol but he at least got him the f out of here. I am asking myself , is that a great win ?

    VK ? Probably his best win against a guy who was not shot or old and his size advantage which he usually enjoyed meant jack. Unsatisfactory ending . Still, his best win but clouded , should have been a rematch but I guess he could not get up anymore for it and the possibilty of ending a career in defeat was real.

    So, in conclusion, IMO, most of his resume consists of has beens or never were's, he was carefully managed and IMO, had a calculated entrance at the right time .

    I also believe he would have a few more losses on his records if he would have matched up prime for prime with the above list, not all by KO but being outhustled or outpointed too. He is in the same age group, just see my above reference to being carefully managed.