POLL: Wladimir Klitschko's resume....

I told you this earlier...you've been caught doing the same thing in the post I've quoted, so I'll post it for you again...

"Admit that when confronted with facts such as these, you try to turn the conversation sideways...in an attempt to back people into positions, that are not strongly defendable, whether or not they made such claims."

 

Yeah...where is the ..."what legacy...????" option.

This whole poll was because he gave up a losing battle...rather than wave the white flag...he flashed the KLIT-wing in the sky, hoping they'd answer the call, and save this "shell" of a poster...:tired

This poll is a weak attempt at damage control...however his rep, was already damaged beyond repair before he woke up today.

 

I'll stop you right there and remind you that you didn't type about that one thing once in your entire post.

You accused a poster of something he did not do...you then did it yourself. You had it thrown in your face...and made a new thread, trying to pass off a KLIT popularity contest as a validation of your losing postiion.

 

Your eye retired me.atsch

 

If you take any fighter in the history of boxing and only concentrate on weaknesses of his opponents then you can make an overprotected champion from anybody.

For example Lennox Lewis, who has he beaten in his career? Old Tyson who was so old and damaged that Danny Williams and Kevin McBride destroyed him. Vitali Klitschko (stopped on technicality was losing the fight to him) Hasim Rahman (a guy who made his fame by beating LEWIS and was destroyed by Oleg Maskaev twice) David Tua (midget, Byrd outboxed him) Holyfield (old, past his prime, almost won the rematch) Botha, Grant (laughable) Mccall (on drugs, mental breakdown, beat Lewis earlier), Briggs (**** fighter) Golota (Koed by Grant, Brewster in 53 seconds) Mavrovic (who?)

of course I rate Lewis very highly and it was just to show that if you only concentrate on negative things then you can **** on anybodys record.

Its a similar case with Wladimir, he has fought top contenders and belt holders and guys who the public wanted him to fight. Who has he avoided? Give names of these young guys that Wlad avoided.

 

At this time Byrd already needed referees to get a "draw" with old Golota or "win" over Oquendo. In case you forgot, that is how he kept his championship and high rankings.

One fighter can be past prime when 30, another still in his prime at 35. Just decide if the Botha you have seen with Wlad was more similar to the one who almost won with Briggs and gave close figth to Tyson (while it lasted)... or rather to the one who couldn't finish (let alone win) with Etienne.

Brewster was only 34 in the rematch? Again, technically true, you just forgot to add he had problems with retina and therefore was inactive more than 1 year before the fight.

Well, at least we agree on Mercer.

Now I am not saying Wlad fought ONLY "shells of old fighters", it would be clearly an overstatement... but still there is some true in that.

 

Something that is often overlooked in analysing resumes is HOW a fighter beat his opposition. My case for Wlad is that he was utterly dominant in almost all of his wins, much like Foreman, Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis. Yes, Mercer was old but was never knocked out before. Brewster in the rematch probably was in better shape than Frazier in Manila, Frazier cheated to pass the eye exam yet nobody takes anything away from Ali for that win.

Also, the second tier heavyweights of today are probably better than in past eras. The Jones or Cooper - type of fighters that gave a prime Ali a good run for the money would be second tier cruiserweights today.

 

Funniest post ever lol.

"Byrd was the #1 in the world", ha ha ha, according to you only I think!

"What does it matter that Brewster had an injury", classic stuff lol.

 

Look at the beginning of the thread. I listed a lot more fighters than that, but only gave you a few examples in my last post.

Agreed, one of the few if not only fighter in his 20's that he's faced in 6 years.

A rather weak fighter in the 90's and past his prime for his second fight with wlad. Not to mention dwarfed by klitschko and possesing no real ability to hurt him. Wlad fought him twice and the second time around he was 35.

Not a bad win, but not a great one either.

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Agreed.

Sounds like a coulda, woulda, shoulda type comment, and Wlad couldn't beat a decent version of Brewster anyway.

Only 22 fights at nearly 33 years of age, and best wins over extremely old versions of Briggs and Holyfield.

This wasn't my full list, and I really don't see the holes in the argument that you claim there are. Very few prime fighters, or fighters who were in their prime, but not very good. What's worse, is that he fought some men who were both old and not very good like Corrie Sanders and lost easily to him-Another thing that people seem to ignore. A few months ago we had a debate about Lennox Lewis, and the main thing that you kept resorting to was the constant references to Lewis's losses to McCall and Rahman, plus his victories over old comp like Tyson and Holyfield. Now, in a different argument, you criticize me for pointing at similar factors only in a different fighter's career, then call my argument weak.

Neither do I.

Well, if Mercer is anywhere near the topof his list ( I don't think he should be ), then that would be a clear reflection of how weak his resume is.

Again, he wasn't a fighter who was capable of doing anything to hurt wlad. He had more or less been outboxed by slow moving vitali, who only quit after a shoulder injury, was KO'd early by Ibiabuchi, and had no power or size to match Wlad with. He then fought him again when Byrd was shot.

Well, he never rematched Corrie Sanders, or Ross Purity and only fought Brewster 3 years later, after he had been mostly inactive, had a loss to Sergei Lyakovich, and had retina problems. Its not like he fought him 6 months after their initial loss. Samuel Peter was one of the few young prospects whom he faced, and not surprisingly received what was arguable his toughest fighte where he was floored and taken the distance. Peter has since improved, and we have yet to see a rematch. Chagaev is undefeated and holding onto another belt, yet Wlad commonly gets the nod as undesputed champion here, and of course Valuev is still very much a force in the division.

I don't know if I'll use the word duck persay, but your claim that he fights everyone is incorrect.


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