Pool: Is 30-40yrs. the true peak of a boxer?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Fire1, Nov 2, 2008.


  1. Fire1

    Fire1 Active Member Full Member

    606
    0
    Oct 4, 2008
    Obviously I can point out hopkins and calzaghe, but i was reading a book on the great samurai's of japan.. they studied physical/mental strengths not for a 100 years, but for 3-400 years and thought a 40 year old samarai was at his peak.. in swordfighting you need all the same quickness and skill of boxing... so that must mean something..

    so vic darch. 32, vitali 37, wlad is 32, calzaghe 36, hopkins 43, margarito 30, jm marquez 35, casamayor 37, r marquez 33, i vasquez 30, clotty 31, n. campbell 36, guzman 32,

    most of these guys are both at the top of their weight classes/champs, and are at the best they been their whole careers...

    most of these guys also have beaten the best 20-something yr. old fighter in their divison recently..

    i think, and have almost proven, that if you stay healthy and dont take to many fights a year, you can continue to improve past your 30 year b-day.... calzaghe, hopkins, and vitali are prime examples of not only being as good as they were when they were 30, but even better :happy
     
  2. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

    38,466
    21
    Apr 7, 2008
    With all the new modern training things they go a lot over 30 now,but you know,if they had it,they had it period in the old days too:SRR,Archie Moore etc
     
  3. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

    79,438
    2,646
    Feb 1, 2007
    but how many examples of fighters between 30 and 40 who are shot?
     
  4. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

    32,127
    41
    Nov 2, 2007
    Casamayor is far from the best he has ever been. Campbell started late, Calzaghe was probably better around 2002, Hopkins aswell was probably better around the Trinidad fight.

    It depends entirely on their style, for example Hopkins can still cut it because he's obviously a world-class fighter and uses his smarts more than his physical attributes. Jones can still cut it because like Hopkins he's a phenomenal fighter, but not at the level he once did, because he relies on his reflexes and speed, which have deteriorated.
     
  5. Fire1

    Fire1 Active Member Full Member

    606
    0
    Oct 4, 2008
    about the same that were in their 20s and got destroyed before they could mature as a fighter
     
  6. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

    14,049
    1,098
    Aug 6, 2005
    Depends on when the began fighting, their style, amatuer career, number of wars they've been in.. etc..

    ..but you'd be in your physical peak in your late 20's, very early 30's.

    Most of the older guys are not physcially peak anymore, but they rely on skill and knowledge to continue winning.
     
  7. Fire1

    Fire1 Active Member Full Member

    606
    0
    Oct 4, 2008
    calzaghe of '02 loses to a 40 yr old b-hop..
    hopkins said himself he fought better now than he ever has
     
  8. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,114
    4
    Jan 8, 2007
    when fighters hit there prime is dependant on a lot of factors. some hit their stride at 30 like the hopkin's, campbell's etc..... but then, many are also robbed of their prime in their 20's like vargas.
     
  9. Fire1

    Fire1 Active Member Full Member

    606
    0
    Oct 4, 2008
    thats all true, and makes my point people train to pek in their 20s and start and push to quick to young...

    most people that suck when they get older is because they have been in wars.. hell look at a 29 yr old hatton or pac they are around the same "body age" of calzaghe and hopkins
     
  10. Fire1

    Fire1 Active Member Full Member

    606
    0
    Oct 4, 2008
    also casa's 37 hes been over 30 for a while and most all of his best wins has been since he has been 30 and over
     
  11. Fire1

    Fire1 Active Member Full Member

    606
    0
    Oct 4, 2008
    skill, knowledge and physical strength is what makes you at your peak, not just physically but mentally, thats why i think if they save their bodies until they get older and more wise and train in a way that doesnt hurt their bodies i think boxers should be at their peak from around 30-40..
     
  12. samuraijack

    samuraijack Member Full Member

    420
    0
    Feb 27, 2005
    some gets are shot in them late 20's
    Junior Jones was for sure
     
  13. bkamins

    bkamins Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,465
    2
    Sep 29, 2008
    It does, as other have stated, really depend on the style of the fighter. However, with some of the best, most athletically gived boxers, you can see a significant decline in hand and foot speed somewhere between 31-33. I'm referrng to Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Lenard, and, of course, Roy Jones. As with any phenomically gifted athletes (the ones who are head and shoulders above the others)--Jordan, Carl Lewis, Joe Brown, Roy Jones...these guys are so far and away better than the other, that you really do notice when they start to slow down, when time catches up to them. Ali, for example, was never the same after his layoff....yes, he was still probably the best and he won some big fights. But, the young athletic Ali was a slippery fast nightmare who was incrediablly hard to hit. After his comeback, he was not the same fighter...And Roy Jones? We have all witnessed the preciptious decline of the great Roy Jones. Eight years ago he was almost impossible to hit. Since then he's been knocked cold by two fighter who would'nt've touched him in his prime.
     
  14. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    25,227
    27
    Feb 14, 2006
    I voted late 20s.

    Here's the thing, as a boxer gets to his mid to late 20s he is reaching his PHYSICAL prime. However, as he enters his 30s he reaches a level of maturity and understanding of fighting that he did not have early on. So, it allows students of the game to prolong their careers as people like Hopkins and Calzaghe have while still fighting at the top level.

    Hard to say, but I guess late twenties to early thirties is where it all comes together. Depends on the weight class also.
     
  15. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,760
    2
    Sep 25, 2008